+5 Yes, Puerto Rico is widely considered a colony—or often described as the world’s oldest colony—due to its status as an unincorporated U.S. territory. While residents are U.S. citizens, they lack voting representation in Congress, cannot vote for president,

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    They didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because they’re ignorant of Puerto Rico.

    I didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn’t know he existed till last week.

    We are not the same.

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        I vaguely heard about a bad… something else. Pictured it way different.

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          I vaguely heard about a bad… something else. Pictured it way different.

          Yeah, a bad dragon is indeed something else. I imagine there’s a lot of overlap in the opponents of both though. =p

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      I didn’t know Bad Bunny was a US citizen because I didn’t know he existed till last week.

      At least I’m not alone. I just figured it was me being an old fart and not up with what the kids are into.

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      okay but what kind of rock do you live under that you don’t know who the most streamed artist in the world is 😂. Off topic, continue.

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    Puerto Ricans have been fighting for a long time for statehood. Taking a look at the US now, I suggest reversing course. Independance would be a better choice.

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      From what I’ve heard there isn’t really a consensus among Puerto Ricans on what they want their status to be.

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        People indigenous to the island are very split between moving to closer alignment with the US via statehood or to move toward independence and ending the colonial commonwealth system. The only true consensus is that the current status quo is unsustainable and something needs to change.

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      I don’t spend a lot of time with Puerto Ricans, but the two I keep in semi-regular contact with have said that they don’t want Puerto Rico to become a state (they wave vaguely at the rules for imports/exports to South American countries; apparently the island has relaxed rules on that compared to states?).

      What’s actually stopped them from.becoming a state in the past? Seems like ~2013 was the last time a movement for that had any real traction?

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        Puerto Rico is unable to import or export directly to any country without going through the mainland United States first. This is a result of the Jones Act of 1920, shortly after PR gained citizenship but not statehood.

        The Jones Act has caused some very fucked up consequences for hurricane relief like after H. Maria wrecked the island in 2017 and relief could not be provided from neighbors without a long extra trip to Florida for processing.

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          From the first article you linked:

          Under the Jones Act, any vessel can enter Puerto Rico. In fact, many foreign vessels enter Puerto Rico regularly, importing goods from countries around the world. However, transportation of goods between two U.S. ports must be carried out by a vessel that was built in the U.S. and operated primarily by Americans. This law doesn’t single out Puerto Rico – it applies to all U.S. ports, the only exception being the U.S. Virgin Islands.

          Don’t get me wrong, I hate the Jones Act as much as any rational American would, but from what I hear, they get a grab bag of exemptions on taxes when moving goods to/from South America (I suppose via non-US ships and via aircraft).

          I don’t have the time for proper research at the moment to try to find what my dudes have talked about when it comes to laxer import/export controls, but may revisit later today if I get some down time.

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      Certainly they should wait three years but even if they were unanimously in support, it would take years to happen

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      This is actual “logic” my boss once used on this topic.

      Native Americans arnt real Americans because they have native in front of them. Why would you need a different word to describe them if they were real Americans?

      He’s Mexican, came over illegally and married into citizenship basically.

      He also votes hard right maga and might be the dumbest man I’ve ever known.

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      Native also, I 100% got profiled by a white cop in a small town I went fishing in last fall. Got pulled over and he was surprised I wasn’t Mexican, fuck him.

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          Dude I worry about this so much. I’m not only native but I work in the construction industry and hauling all my ladders around in my tools around on my truck I’m so waiting for ice to roll up on my ass I’m going to have to get enough fight with them.

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            Same bro I work in the mining industry and so many people here are so happy about the ice raids even older natives are excited about it. What is really concerning is that puppy killer Kristie said last year before the 4th of July that natives should lose their status and there tribes.

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      I’m as white as they come, moved to AZ for a bit and was ASTOUNDED by the number of people who think New Mexico is on the other side of the border or that every brown tinted person is clearly Mexican, despite like half of th state being Res territory. Now I’m in UT where the Utes are mostly a sports mascot

      The fact that Reservations exist at all is a slap in the face, maybe this time instead of the Canadians yall burn down the White House, just sayin

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      I’m sure the number is ridiculously high, but it’s always funny to me when memes just throw a random percentage out there with no sources. This is done to make stupid people think this is a professional, real statistic.

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      Their ass, they spent all morning rooting around up there on the C-line

      Source: I took the C-line to work today

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    I’ll do you one better: I didn’t even know who Bad Bunny was prior to this news cycle. Not my genre of music.

    But I do remember the last time Puerto Rico was hit by a hurricane, and Trump didn’t do shit to help. Because he’s a vile piece of shit that would rather fuck kids, his daughter, and this country rather than help anyone.

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      At the time I thought that was a good reason why they would be better off if they chose to pursue statehood. We do much better with emergency response to states and we invest more in states for infrastructure and stuff. At least economically it would seem a strong positive.

      But then Trump happened and somehow our representatives are allowing him to restrict emergency response by personal spite and and self-enrichment, so I just don’t know anymore

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    I have almost no idea who that Bad Bunny person is but I do know that fascists/republicans hate him so he must be pretty cool.

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    So it’s kinda No Taxation Without Representation situation? Or does that only apply to white people?

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      There are lower/no taxes there. That’s why so many conservatives move there, or buy property there - particularly after a hurricane. Disaster capitalism.

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      I mean DC has plenty of white people but they’re in a similar situation. Although at least they get to vote for president.

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        Still worth considering that DC is called “Chocolate City” for a reason. It’s a majority minory city. I’ve encountered at least a few political scientists who firmly believe that the biggest barrier for DC gaining statehood is that historically the American imperial project will support social goods until they’re extended to Black people (with the New Deal being the commonly referenced example of this, as well as why building a gentler form of capitalism through social democratic reform should be viewed as good, but not as enough)

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      He was on a late night show with Linus from Linus Tech Tips. That was my first time seeing him. I’m glad Linus was able to give this small creator the break he needed (/s but it was the first time I saw him…)

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    the orange pedo clearly did not know Puerto Rico was a US territory during his first term… he also did not know it was an island

    and this level of brilliance was rewarded with a second term by muricans… so yes, I tend to believe every stat that claims they are mostly ignorants

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        thank you for your good humour… I know I am generalizing which is usually not a good thing, but the frustration mounting over the last few years is really getting me now

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          Believe me, you are not alone in that frustration. Living here is like watching your stove catch on fire and the one creepy uncle who no one talks to aside from major holidays is actively trying to block you from the extinguisher in the cabinet…while the rest of your relatives just sort of look away. Infuriated is a polite way of saying what I feel these days

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      ~30% of voters will vote ® regardless of who. A smaller share will vote (D) regardless of who. The rest have to be convinced to vote for you instead of the other guy, and the largest group by far have to be convinced to get off their asses and vote at all.

      Trump won a second term not because he had a massive upswing in popularity, but because Harris did the opposite of convincing people to actually vote and to do so for her. Apathy favors GOP, high turnout favors Dems.

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        Agreeing with your more detail breakdown, I cannot see how it contradicts what I posted before (which I think it’s your intention here).

        At the end of the day, the USA thought it best to eat battery acid (trump) or starve to death (not vote) rather than eating the cold hamburger that was available (Harris)

        We can argue a lot about the flaws of a 2 party system and, most importantly IMO, how deeply corrupt the USA’s version of “deMoCRacY” is… but at the end of the day, Americans decided to figuratively kill themselves and bring down the world with them, mostly out of fucking ignorance

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      That would be an incredible change for the island. Right now their economy is kneecapped by byzantine US shipping laws. The jones act gives american shippers complete control over goods going to and from the island, driving up prices.

      Falling under the care of a sanier nation, one who will help them rollout a reliable solar grid instead of dismantiling it, would do wonders.

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    Made up statistic aside, why is not knowing the nationality of a celebrity… bad? I don’t even know his real name, this seems like a stretch to make it into american chauvinism rather than people just not knowing about a celebrity. Is that the joke?

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      It’s relevant here because of the backlash from maga morons when it was announced a guy with brown skin would be doing the half time show. There was a lot of nationalist rhetoric bouncing around, being used to justify their racism.

      It was all bs as their arguments were being levelled at an American citizen as he is Puerto Rican.

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    While I understand most Americans are apparently racist idiots, I find that stat hard to believe.

    In all the hoopla around the halftime show, I never once read anything other than he is Puerto Rican. Not even in the maga content the algorithm insists I want to see (to the extent I didn’t immediately block).

    Maybe this is being too pedantic but it would be more believable if

    • “73% of Americans don’t understand that puerto ricans are us citizens”. Because we are that dumb.

    Replying to that German guy somewhere in the comments - Spanish is spoken all over the us as the second most common language. Certainly anywhere in the south you’ll hear it all the time, but even up here in New England it’s very common. There’s no reason to be surprised by hearing it nor to think they are anything other than Americans who are speaking Spanish

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      There’s an entire TikTok side, not just one influencer but several, that have centered their accounts around random chat apps where they ask north-americans if America is a continent, for comedy. Now, this is truly just anecdotal, however. I’m talking about several influencers who pump dozens of this kind of videos each, every day. Every video has 2 or 3 video chats, sometimes multiple people per chat. There’s so much content that they are their own hashtag and tiktok sphere, of videos making fun of north americans for not knowing basic geography.

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        If you ask South Americans, at least some of them will tell you that America is one continent.

        The day I told my 3rd graders in Colombia that there were 7 continents, it sparked a conversation I was not expecting (because that is what every social studies textbook said when I was in school in the US). Here, they only count five. That was the day I learned there is not an international consensus about what constitutes a continent.

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          Here, they only count five.

          Which other two get combined or does one get wholly discarded? Like the seven I’m used to are N. America, S.America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia/Oceania and Antarctica. Is Eurasia a single continent to them, does Antarctica or Australia not count, or something else?

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            Eurasia counts as one continent for my students.

            But in some places, apparently they don’t count Antarctica because it isn’t populated by a permanent human civilization.

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          And if you do try to define object science-based criteria, you get things like New Zealand is a continent

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            Same thing with planets. Rather appropriately the now-classified-as-a-dwarf-planet named Eris (after the goddess of strife and discord) being discovered was what set the wheels in motion that led to Pluto losing it’s status as a planet.

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        Film yourself asking 100 people the same simple question

        find 5 who are clueless

        Only post the 5% of people who make for good content, never mention the other 95%

        Morons lap this up as real

        The ole Charlie Kirk youtube method didn’t die with him I see.

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      There’s no reason to… think they are anything other than Americans who are speaking Spanish

      The vast majority of Americans speak English in public. People who speak Spanish as their primary language in public are usually assumed to be foreigners.