“Good luck with the future, gentlemen,” County Court Judge Kellie Blair said to the pair, as she stepped off the bench at the end of hearing.

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    Too often I see people being called neo-nazis just because they have different world views from the woke herd. I’d rather treat labels like this with caution as it’s far too easy to hurt someone’s image undeserved, especially when biased media starts echoing these claims.

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        Like “we shouldn’t let children choose to undergo irreversible, life-altering treatments” or “we should give everyone equal opportunities”

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          Ah yes, the thing that already is heavily discouraged and doesn’t happen (unless illegally, which is a whole other issue and has jack to do with your imaginary mob), and the thing that… The “woke mob” already believes in? Alrighty then.

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            The general consensus of the left nowadays seems to be equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity, very big difference (eg diversity quotas and gender wage gap)

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              So in this scenario, what exactly is the equal outcome supposed to be exactly? Affording education? Being accepted into a job that you’re qualified for in a diverse setting which is preferred scientifically considering workspaces and study groups benefit more from diversity of lived experience, background and origin? (Chicago Tufts University. “Racial Diversity Improves Group Decision Making In Unexpected Ways, According To Tufts University Research.” ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 10 April 2006. )

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                Equal outcome would be for example getting picked for a job position over somebody who is better qualified because you belong to a minority group.

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                  Does this actually happen as much as you claim it does or are some people pissy that the establishment they applied to decided, between equally qualified candidates, to pick the one that would add to their diversity? Or are you implying (I don’t even need to ask if you’re from the US) that most minorities only ever get a job/scholarship not because of their own efforts, but because they’re receiving handouts and of course could never actually be qualified for anything?

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                    Microsoft and Target do this, to name 2 big ones. They don’t explicitly say so, but no respectable company will ever admit to discriminating against anyone and they’re both proudly showing off how diverse they are.

                    Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t have any issues with diversity, I have an issue with people getting places they shouldn’t be because they are in a specific group. Whether that’s an elitist white male group or a minority group, I believe all discrimination is wrong.

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              Removing diversity quotas and addressing the wage gap (which you seem to oppose, but it’s probably because you’re just listing trigger words) doesn’t make for a meritocracy and it’s been shown over and over again.

              In controlled conditions, when someone is completely unable to know the gender, race or sexuality of the person they’re judging, minorities have the same merit and are judged much the same as anyone else.

              When you remove those conditions, suddenly, in a magical coincidence, straight white men just happen to think that other straight white men are the most qualified for the job.

              On top of that, people who heard the words “diversity quotas” and assumed they knew everything about them tend to assume they’re mandatory discrimination, then get upset.

              They’re not. Managers aren’t saying “well unfortunately, all these hirely qualified men aren’t eligible because the quota said, so we have to hire this black gay woman who turned up to the interview visibly drunk”.

              Any job tends to have a pool of candidates, any of whom are qualified. If you’ve genuinely been hiring on merit and have ended up with an all male team, that shouldn’t be difficult to demonstrate when scrutinised.

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          No one calls anyone a Nazi for that. People are called Nazis for being Nazis.

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      With that talking point expressed with that vocabulary, you should probably be more careful about whose opinions you adopt.

      When they say “we need to start loading people onto trains”, that’s not just their “different world view” about the role of public transportation.