The word ‘terrorist’ has lost all meaning at this point.
I had to double-check what Deflock was for:
DeFlock’s mission is simple: to shine a light on the widespread use of ALPR technology, raise awareness about the threats it poses to personal privacy and civil liberties, and empower the public to take action.
This app makes it easy to view and report AI powered surveillance cameras, automatic license plate readers (ALPRs), and other surveillance infrastructure near you.
Sharing information about where cameras are located is terrorism now?
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Careful! I think logic and questions are the new terrorist things to do! Oooo scarey!
Shit I just had a thought
Better ask chatgpt what to do about that.
You jest but this is my default behavior now
“Things you couldn’t get me to publicly admit for $500, Alex”
That is not healthy, and you should stop doing that.
That’s really concerning. Like, if a loved one told me that I’d express serious concern for their mental health
What is this pic from exactly?
Believe it or not, jail
Don’t turn off your telescreen
Shit from the title I thought they were going around smashing the cameras and that it was an exaggeration, but I was clearly wrong on the scale
It’s a surveillance company, stoking fears of terrorism is just good business, especially if it’s not true
Be the change you want to see in the world
Eh no I’d rather stay out of the US at the moment
We have such sort of cameras in Europe as well. Some even use a Service provider from china; literally Surveillance as a Service.
This is just a play out of the rules for radicals playbook: accuse others of what you are doing.
DARVO
It lost all meaning the second Bush declared the “War on Terror”.
It means ‘Enemy of the rich’ now
e: important clarification, by rich I mean billionaires who own the majority of everything and not successful doctors, engineers or movie stars. Know your classes, kids
It means “me no like.”
That’s partly the point. Use words that accurately describe your evil group to incorrectly describe other groups and all of a sudden the words lose meaning and nobody can call you that anymore. Hooray!
It never had any meaning. Reagan had them redefine it in a way that didn’t implicate America.
In the UK the term is defined by the government as anyone who is deemed by the government a threat to the government or the people or someone’s property or the predominant local religion. But recently it’s been exclusively used for the first one. In this country state law is valued higher than corporate, moral, ethical and religious laws, so YMMV
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Terrorism: interpretation. (Terrorism Act 2000)(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where— (a)the action falls within subsection (2), (b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and ©the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [, racial] or ideological cause.
(2)Action falls within this subsection if it— (a)involves serious violence against a person, (b)involves serious damage to property, ©endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action, (d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or (e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.
(4)In this section— (a)“action” includes action outside the United Kingdom, (b)a reference to any person or to property is a reference to any person, or to property, wherever situated, ©a reference to the public includes a reference to the public of a country other than the United Kingdom, and (d)“the government” means the government of the United Kingdom, of a Part of the United Kingdom or of a country other than the United Kingdom.
(5)In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation.
"In the UK it means the cop wants your ID and is willing to pretend your camera is a gun to get it.
The UK isn’t the US (at least in this context) almost nobody has guns.
In very limited situations the police can, but it’s not the norm.
Don’t get me wrong, ACAB, they just don’t generally use guns a as a pretext, perhaps a knife, or perhaps there is more than an arbitrary number of people grouped together so they can claim an ‘illegal’ protest.
I didn’t mean they really thought a camera were a gun. I mean UK cops will “suspect” people filming with a camera of being a terrorist (as if aiming the camera were like pointing a gun).
“anonymous” downvotes aren’t a good replacement for an actual response, but you do you.
and I’m saying it’s not a common occurrence, intentional or not.
Guns aren’t common enough in the UK for “they’ve got a gun” to be a go-to for the police.
“They’ve got a knife” or “They’ve got a sign the ruling class don’t want people to see” are more likely.
As another poster pointed out, it has happened, but it’s by no means the norm.
Fatal police shootings in the UK are getting more common. In 2019 one man was “lawfully murdered” because an officer said the victim’s mobile phone looked like a handgun. In 2024 it was announced the officer would not be prosecuted. Not one police officer has been found guilty of illegal murder as of yet.
Sure, that seems about right and the link is interesting.
I was just saying it’s not a common excuse for cops in the UK (right now).
It’s so broad, they can accuse anyone of it, and that’s the point. Both parties have long supported these over broad laws too, because they are not on our side, they want the ability to bring the power of the state on the heads of any groups that might not be breaking the law in a way any reasonable person would condemn but still scare those aritstocrats.
It never had meaning. To instill deep fear. Doing violent acts with the purpose of achieving a political end.
It’s always been super broad and just waiting for a domestic party to adopt the tactics of Israel’s occupied territories here in the US, that’s where this was always heading.
Flock is a terrorist organization.
Flock is a state sponsored terrorist organization.
“Everything I don’t like is terrorism.”
What is this, 2001 again?
Did it ever stop?
It’s accelerated: In 2001, technology companies were forced to collect user data and realized it could be a goldmine. Today, technology companies are being forced to collect people’s IDs… I’m sure this will end up just fine.
“Forced” -> paid.
Spoken like an antifa, uh, 3 star general. Get him boys! /s The future is a lot dumber than we might have thought.
Hey, man. I am four stars at least.
Flock is a terrorist organization.
Can someone explain how this makes any sense? They were ordered legally to deactivate and remove, unilaterally decide to put them back up and reactivate, the authorities (whomever those are) resort to covering them instead of removing and destroying them because “removing them is illegal”?
What the actual fuck is this?
Fascism. The only thing that matters is power and deception.
My guess (emphasis “guess”) is either some contractual bullshit or a result of state law superseding local law.
This is why when my city installed them (with a 3-2 vote from Council) they required them to all be installed in the Right-of-Way, which gives the city more authority to remove them if the contract is terminated (which it likely will be soon).
Since Flock CEO wants to give this movement some press
Here’s Benn Jordan, he’s done a series of videos on the cameras, demonstrates their vulnerabilities, and talks about how Flock has been deploying secretly by co-opting local municipalities to subsidize their national rollout.
First video, the one seems to have started the major anti-Flock push: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ
Follow-up showing how easy they are to hack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY
More live demonstrated vulnerabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo
Not as directly related, but he discusses a way to use generative AI models to create noise masks for your specific plate that will disrupt the OCR process that ALPRs use. (Key term: Adversarial Noise) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk
This guy is the coolest type of hacker.
Feeling the need to state “they are closer to Antifa than anything else” about your opponents might be a good point to rethink your ethics…
So… Flock have literally described themselves as fascist…
Their self description fits their actions.
Their what?
Does he care to explain why they leave town when cities or states simply tell them that all the data they collect becomes public domain?
Oh, so they aren’t providing a public service, the only thing they care about is selling my data and keeping it secret.
It’s always projection with them isn’t it?
Yes. Always.
flock feeding the videos to palintir calling people a terrorist orgniazation
Flock cameras need to be banned, and the ones that are left should absolutely be destroyed. There is no excuse for having these things in communities.
I believe the collection of the information is inevitable. What I would push for instead of driving them to make the cameras and databases more clandestine than they already are is for the information that they collect to be made openly available to all.
As things are, it’s a very asymmetrical power tool for the advantage of the (government) operators.
When ALL the information is available to everyone, we can talk about where the cameras do and do not need to be. And any unapproved cameras can be suppressed as evidence against private individuals.
That’s like saying that it’s inevitable that murder and rape will happen.
Just because someone is going to do it eventually doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have the death penalty for doing it.
No, that’s like saying that it’s inevitable that indoor plumbing and air conditioning will continue to spread and be adopted by everyone who can afford them. Or that the police will use national computer databases to track criminals, and helicopters for urban surveillance and pursuit. Or that the military is going to use more drones in the future.
Even before everyone carried GPS trackers in their pockets and digital cameras became dirt cheap, you were being tracked and analyzed by your credit card: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
Terrorist calls man stopping their terror a terrorist.
Notice how a lot of these servailence CEO often come across as quite skittish and oddly concerned about what other are doing while obvuscating their own actions, kind of reminds me of a someone I used to know with diegnosed parinoid…
Just sayin…
Funny because I consider Flock a terrorist organization
I don’t know why I thought of this, but they make telescoping poles for wasp spray. I wonder if any other type of aerosol can would fit in them, or why you would even want to do that?
Paintball guns are very effective in (temporarily) blinding these cams and you can keep your distance.
Also harsh cleaning chemicals like Windex with Ammonia will degrade the IR/anti-glare coatings horribly and will lead to unusable shots within a season or two.
