Palestinians said they had received renewed warnings from Israel's military to move from north Gaza to the south of the strip, with the added warning that they could be identified as sympathisers with a "terrorist organisation" if they stayed put.
    • JoJoGAH@lemmy.worldEnglish
      359·
      11 months ago

      From what I can see as of a couple hours ago, they’ve been bombing the south and refugee camps. So far they use this messaging as a way to corral and murder.

      • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
        235·
        11 months ago

        Israel literally bombed an evacuation corridor they set up.

        They said you can use these two routes between this time, it’ll be safe, and they still fucking bombed them.

        Israel is stopping people from moving, Israel is murdering thousands of innocents and ruining millions of lives, Israel needs to be stopped.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      233·
      11 months ago

      A few days ago there were already more Palestinian children killed by just the current Israeli bombing of Gaza that the total of Israelis killed by Hamas’ attack.

      Must have been “sympathisers with a terrorist organisation”, same as the ones who will be killed and arrested when the IDF finally enacts their Gaza invasion and anexation plan. /s

    • foggianism@lemmy.worldEnglish
      36·
      11 months ago

      What are the humanitarian aid measures done by Israel to help the affected civilians in Gaza?

    • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4610·
      11 months ago

      I am getting the feeling that Israel (aka US) is creating more terrorists on purpose. If my entire family was killed and I survived I would be out for blood. I think anyone would.

      Is this done just an excuse for the US to re-insert itself in a middle eastern conflict so our tax dollars can enrich the military industrial complex? Sure seems like it

      We created our enemies in the Middle East, they would have no reason to hate us if we didn’t.

        • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          254·
          11 months ago

          Not to mention the CIAs involvement in the formation of Al-Qaeda

          These wars are not protecting America They are making us more vulnerable

          What we do is not defense, it is conquest.

          • chaogomu@kbin.social
            141·
            11 months ago

            You can win wars, but you cannot win an occupation.

            But the people selling the guns sure as hell win.

      • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        11 months ago

        Setting aside the US for a moment, I think Israel’s embattled condition has always helped the Zionist cause. Being in a state of crisis binds the Israeli people together and draws foreign aid. There’s also a draw for Jewish people around the world to go defend the homeland. All of this draws in people and money to Israel. And of course it creates the martial conditions for them to forcibly exclude millions of Arabs from their “democracy.” If Israel had been peaceably founded and there was no separation with Gaza / the West Bank then Israel likely would have stopped being a Jewish majority, Jewish controlled state long ago. Now that their society is affluent and developed, they’re having a harder time keeping up on birth rates too. You can get people to have 8 kids on a farming kibbutz. Gen-Z ravers with tech jobs? Not so much.

        • Kepabar@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          It’s nothing so complicated as all that.

          It’s as simple as any possible solution to the issue is to Israels disadvantage, so they work to maintain the status quo.

      • foggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        34·
        11 months ago

        I’m stoned, and no simple explanation will be accurate.

        But it basically works like this.

        Invade -> Resources?

        Yes -> take if non renewable. Banana Republic if renewable. Create enemies.

        No -> create enemies.

        Stir up tension with enemies neighbors and enemies.

        Sell arms to one/both.

        Play hero by putting a stop to this militant terrorist communist et ceteras.

        Profit.

        Summary

    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.eeEnglish
      56·
      11 months ago

      This is like watching sports. Everyone picks a team and after that nothing else matters than your team winning. If the opposing team gets a red card for nothing it’s good and if your team gets one for a good reason it’s bad. It’s especially true in this case since there’s almost nothing you can blame the other side for having done that the other haven’t.

  • MrNesser@lemmy.worldEnglish
    112·
    11 months ago

    He question here if all Palestinians are moving south whats to stop hamas moving with them and just leaving the north

    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      Their rockets don’t have the range to hit Israel from the south end of Gaza and that’s probably where the majority of their tunnel infrastructure is at too.

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        51·
        11 months ago

        It seems likely that Israel will take control of the north side of Gaza, and then settlers will start living in the north side of Gaza. Then the leftover Palestinians in the south side of Gaza will be in rocket range again. And the cycle will continue

    • nbafantest@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      11 months ago

      Thats exactly what Isreal wants. Then they can destroy the tunnels and rocket launch sites.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    5·
    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    GAZA, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Palestinians said they had received renewed warnings from Israel’s military to move from north Gaza to the south of the strip, with the added warning that they could be identified as sympathisers with a “terrorist organisation” if they stayed put.

    The message was delivered in leaflets marked with the Israel Defense Forces name and logo from Saturday and sent to people via mobile phone audio messages across the Gaza Strip, a narrow territory that is just 45 km (28 miles) long.

    Your presence north of Wadi Gaza puts your life in danger.

    Israel has pounded Gaza with airstrikes since the Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a deadly attack on Israeli soil on Oct. 7.

    Israel has massed troops and armour on the border with Gaza ahead of an expected land incursion.

    The Israeli military said in a statement it had “no intention to consider those who have not evacuated … as a member of the terrorist group”.

    The original article contains 301 words, the summary contains 162 words. Saved 46%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

      • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
        117·
        11 months ago

        If You Get Hit, It’s Your Own Fault (The Simpsons) - From season 6 episode 8: Lisa on Ice

        While it’s not as ideal as you might like, there’s nothing really wrong with just posting a link. Half the fun is in the surprise.

        We’re just chatting on the internet, it’s impractical to expect every comment to be deeply thought out and fully constructed. Sometimes you just want to share something relevant and move on to the next thread. It’s not like they masked a url with another or anything; any anger is unwarranted.

          • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
            513·
            11 months ago

            Lmfao you just came in and downvoted me at the same time as I finally conceded and accepted having a little edit mark on my comment.

            I couldn’t think of a better way to phrase it when I wrote the comment, but yes, “angry” would be an excessive description of your comment. Not quite so excessive with your latest comment, though :P

              • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
                69·
                11 months ago

                Lmao I’m just teasing you, also I haven’t been downvoting you but upvoted your last comment. I respect your different opinion and mean no malice.

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
          3·
          11 months ago

          Asking for a link to have some indication of what it links to isn’t demanding anything “deeply thought it and fully constructed”. If you don’t have time to write a few words to describe it, a hundred other people certainly don’t have time to open it just to see what it is.

      • echo64@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        11 months ago

        If I posted what it was, it would have ruined the joke. What’s to get mad about?

  • count_dongulus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    938·
    11 months ago

    In a republic, representatives in power are elected by the general populace. Their decisions represent the will of the citizenry.

    Hamas was freely elected by the people of Gaza in 2006. Their actions did and continue to represent the will of the citizenry. If they didn’t, they would not still be in positions of elected authority.

    So, in a war of aggression by a democratic state, voting age adults are just as responsible for the actions of their country as the combatants they indirectly sent to harm others.

    Gazan adults are either fighting Hamas, or they support Hamas. And I haven’t read ANYTHING about Gazans against Hamas taking up arms to free their country from that elected group.

    • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      368·
      11 months ago

      That means that you are personally liable for the 1 Million dead civilians from our unconstitutional war in the middle east.

      Using this logic you are fair game for a terrorist attack, and would deserve it.

      50% of the population was not born yet during the most recent election where Hamas gained power (16 years ago)

      Stop parroting this bullshit and think for yourself

      • count_dongulus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        818·
        11 months ago

        I AM responsible. This is how democracy works. You are responsible for your own governance. Why don’t you think for yourself? You can’t vote for your government to kill others, and take zero responsibility.

        • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
          144·
          11 months ago

          And the people who didn’t vote for the government? People who voted for the opposition but didn’t win, are they innocent?

        • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          125·
          11 months ago

          So edgy. Hand yourself over to Al-Qaeda or ISIS since you are responsible. I will buy your plane ticket for you.

          • count_dongulus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            410·
            11 months ago

            Nope, just because I’m part of a wide, very diluted group collectively responsible doesn’t mean I think I am wrong. I am happy for voting representatives into power who used military force against Al-Qaida and ISIS. Fuck them.

            • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              11 months ago

              No you are going to the Middle East, send me a DM so we can get the plane ticket purchased

              Put your money where your mouth is coward

        • cannache@slrpnk.netEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          I somewhat agree on principle but practically speaking we live in very large systems with huge momentum these days, even in America where lots of people are armed and can avoid going to a war they don’t want to, they’re not necessarily going to bust moves against the system itself. If you ask me, the most effective action would simply be to buy your way out and enable mass freedom from such industrial war machines

    • Lmaydev@programming.devEnglish
      212·
      11 months ago

      This is a super simple view of the conflict.

      They elected them in 2006. So there hasn’t been an election in almost 20 years.

      This is a stupid position to take imo.

      • count_dongulus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        517·
        11 months ago

        Germans voted for the Nazi party to take power. And guess what? Germans supported that party, even after that party they chose to put into power suspended elections. If you elect a government that suspends elections, you’re still responsible for electing that government. You put them there: you and your fellow citizens gave consent.

        • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
          141·
          11 months ago

          Funny that you mention it, but do you know why Germans voted for the Nazis, because they were desperate and put into a corner, after the end of the WWI and the Versailles treaty they were so bad economically that people were desperate, and guess what, desperate people choose desperate solutions. So in a way, Hamas is in power thanks to the Israelian policies.

          Do you truly believe that if those people were in peace and living comfortably Hamas would have been elected in the first place?

    • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
      161·
      11 months ago

      Taking your same logic, every citizen of every country is responsible for whatever that country does. That means all of the grievances the people of Gaza have are the responsibility of every citizen of Israel.

      Your advocating the doctrine of Total war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

      Lots of civilians die in Total war. On both sides. Using this logic everyone’s going to die

      • count_dongulus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        215·
        11 months ago

        No, every voting eligible citizen in a democratically elected government is responsible for a war of aggression. They are giving consent to the war of aggression. That is how democracy works: you the citizen decide your own governance, and you are not magically absolved of responsibility for the actions of the government you elected.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
      163·
      11 months ago

      In a republic, representatives in power are elected by the general populace. Their decisions represent the will of the citizenry.

      Are you 12?

        • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          11 months ago

          There weren’t any elections since Hamas took control of Gaza, they have persecuted and expelled/killed all Fatah representatives.

          Maybe before saying something try to educate yourself.

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
          91·
          11 months ago

          I’m someone who understands that:

          • Governments aren’t always elected with the support of a majority of voters, or even a plurality.
          • A government does not represent the will of the voters who weren’t on the winning side of the last election
          • A government often doesn’t represent the will of the voters on the winning side either.
          • People vote based on what candidates say they’re going to do, and they have next to no control over what their leaders actually do after they’re elected.

          Sounds like you don’t understand those very basic facts. Your opinions are therefore not worth listening to.

          • Gerula@lemmy.worldEnglish
            24·
            11 months ago

            Unfortunately, you don’t understand the basics of living in a society. Please stop being arrogant and don’t assume you have an opinion worth listening to.

    • dlatch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      11 months ago

      Due to the Israeli blockade of goods and travel, these people were happy if they can survive the day to day. let alone fight a regime that even the 4th strongest army in the world is failing to control. But sure, it’s their own fault.

    • endhits@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      50% of the population of Gaza is 15 or lower. The majority of the people there never voted for Hamas.

    • Gerula@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      11 months ago

      Hey, you cannot say that here! It doesn’t fit the general narrative. What are you thinking? /s