Title should read “anonymous tip to FBI in 2020 alleges Trump watched as girl’s newborn was murdered & dumped in lake”
I hate that this particular story is being picked up. it’s a single report to the FBI from someone decades after it allegedly happened. Literally the best possible example of hearsay
The Epstein docs have so much far more damning evidence that is verifiable. Focusing on what amounts to a single phone call to the FBI - something I could do myself tomorrow - makes us look like bafoons
Hearsay is when someone says they heard that x happened, but didn’t see it personally. This is eyewitness testimony, as in the person making the allegation says they saw it happen. For it to be hearsay she would have needed to disclose it to another person who then disclosed it to the FBI.
This is a second hand report of the first person’s claim. The document itself is hearsay. Her testimony would be admissable. A recording would be admissable. A typewritten document from who the fuck knows when is not.
A typewritten document from who the fuck knows when is not.
The fact it’s not a recording doesn’t make it not firsthand testimony, and neither does its age (which is from 2020 btw, you can see it yourself at the top of the document).
Firsthand testimony isn’t inherently true, but that doesn’t make it not firsthand testimony.
It sure as shit isn’t hearsay as was being asserted.
but it’s not first-hand testimony. it’s a typewritten document by an FBI agent. that is literally not first-hand testimony. in order to be first-hand testimony it needs to be given in a courtroom or recorded. we don’t even know if the person who made the phone call is who they claim to be.
I agree with your top comment. There is a lot of very verifiable information in there. drop site news has done some actual journalism based on these document dumps. This one is just too attractive to low effort social media content producers. Too salacious.
I haven’t been digging through these documents. Could be others which are related. This is the one that’s being circulated in my bubble. It isn’t clear if this person is claiming she was also present for the infanticide but at the very least she is is saying she gave birth then the baby was no more so (if the story is real) something bad must have happened because a private citizen cannot just remove a child from its parent’s care.
https://web.archive.org/web/20251223055820if_/https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00025010.pdf (clicking the link won’t work because of the spaces, have to select copy paste) dated 08/03/2020.
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Witness Information
First Name: Donald
Middle Name:
Last Name: Trump
Age: 70
DOB:
Additional Info: Again, just trying to find out the NYPD detective on the FBI sex trafficking task force that called me a couple of weeks ago and spoke to me about some of these issues.
How is Contact Known: He participated regularly in paying money to force me to with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.
So maybe it’s our turn to Flood The Zone™. Keep them on rhe defense, tire them out, and wait for them to make a mistake. A few weeks of this and I’d wager he’s just ducking stupid enough to admit to the shit he did, just to disprove the shit he didn’t do.
I reckon that if you questioned him in the white house press room and called him a gay pedophile because he had sex with little boys (which would also make him a DEI hire), he would balk so hard at that that he’d let something spill live on camera.
But you’d have to stand and keep eye contact with him such that you looked like you were about to cross the room and kick his head in, because at heart, he is a coward.
Basically you call anyone a pedo publically and that sticks in everyones heads. It doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong, they’ll think it. It’s why the conservatives make hella random ass wide spread bs accusations since it does eventually get ingrained in ppls head so they subconcioisly get turned away from those candidates.
They are intentionally picking at this for that reason. Easy to dismiss, so the rest they can just say is the same quality
Ahhh… the “Bill Gates Defense.”
No, you misunderstand. His fanboys will never change. The question is whether the FBI and DOJ have actually investigated anything. And this is an example where they didn’t. That’s more felonies for lying to Congress, that’s more dark shit to look into.
Remember, we aren’t a court. We don’t need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We are the people demanding transparency and oversight. Justice? Fuck, he would die before any trial took place, at this point, he’s just too old and too sick.
You don’t even have any evidence to suggest they didn’t investigate the claim. Do you have any idea how many lunatics file false claims every day? Overwhelming is with time-wasting bullshit sure sounds like a great way to stall for time. I’m not interested in helping mask the real stuff but looking at one-off unsubstantiated reports that any citizen could make.
Show me a single shred of evidence supporting this claim and I’ll be with you. But at this point it’s a giant fucking waste of time and energy.
It’s like… It’s going just as planned.
The same could be said about the Epstein files themselves. There are so many clearer instances of Trump breaking the law, his oath, and the constitution without having to back to something that came out during his previous term and devolved to nothing. To me, it’s funny how people point to real world threats and problems Trump is threatening, preparing, and has already caused and saying that that’s a distraction from Epstein and not the other way around.
Propagandist don’t just feed their own narratives, they feed the easiest takes to deal with from their opposition so that their loudness drowns out the most effective opposition. With Trump, evidence seems to point that Epstein is definitely bothering him but it is not really stopping him from doing any of the BS he’s doing. The point isn’t that it doesn’t bother him, but that he keeps the focus on the small things that bother him so that people ignore the big things that would.
Democrats when the Republicans put up a anti-DEI, anti-Trans or similar tip line: “Haha, wouldn’t it be a shame if someone called this tip line with bullshit tips so they wasted all their time on wild goose chases? Don’t do that, of course! /s”
Democrats when there’s a claim against Donald Trump that comes from a tip line: “Oh my god, do you guys know what Donald Trump did?!?”
Please guys, allow the Republicans to be the party of gullibility, there’s no need to compete for them on that one.
Every time we hear something outrageous about these psychopaths, it always sounds too insane, even for them. Then we find out it is true, and even worse than we thought.
So this? Sure, why not? I’ve come to believe these pigs are capable of literally anything. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ate a baby.
And now we’ve become the same as r/conservative. Just believe anything because to aligns with your world view.
No, we aren’t the same at all. PedoCons literally invent their lies about their opponents out of thin air (the “Biden Crime Family,” etc.), while we are only choosing to believe actual evidence from the biggest international pedophile ring in history, and not accept their lame excuses for their despicably evil behavior.
If you can’t see the difference, then YOU are part of the problem. Polish your Critical Thinking Skills.
The “Biden Crime Family” wasn’t true. But, it does seem pretty obvious that Hunter Biden tried to take advantage of his father’s political position in order to enrich himself. Joe Biden may not have approved, or have been involved in any way. And, the degree of possible “corruption” seems quaint compared with the absolute bullshit that the Trump family is doing. But, you can’t just say that the “Biden Crime Family” was made out of thin air. It was anchored on something real, even though it was blown way out of proportion.
Nonsense, many presidential kids have traded on their famous names, that wasn’t unique to Hunter.
Jenna Bush’s first job was as a on-air host for The Today Show, leapfrogging over literally thousands of other far more qualified people, simply because she was a Bush. She gets a multi-million dollar a year contract, and nobody says a word.
And let’s not forget that the Trump children are making BILLIONS in incredibly corrupt deals with the worst people and worst regimes in the world, but yeah, let’s talk about Hunter Biden, who tried to cut huge deals, but was largely unsuccessful. He’s certainly been out-earned by plenty of Right Wing Nepo Babies.
Nonsense, many presidential kids have traded on their famous names, that wasn’t unique to Hunter.
Nobody said it was unique to hunter, but it’s still corruption.
A self-serving Nepo Baby does not a “Crime Family” make.
Yes, but it’s why the “Biden Crime Family” rhetoric started. It didn’t arise out of thin air.
Yes. We’re just as bad as them. We shouldn’t let the previous actions of a person color our judgment. We should have total amnesia, only function in the now, and not believe anything anyone but the state tells us without mountains of proof every time.
Are you claiming that the files released by the Department of Justice are fabricated?
We know that he is accused of having been complicit and a witness to infanticide, which is perhaps easy shadenfreude to believe but accusations are not proof of wrongdoing. Sadly, if it is true, we need a lot more than a record of conversation with a victim about events occurring 40 years ago.
Does it .after?
Like, does this one being true or not change anything?
Is killing a baby for the evulz really out of character? Like, if there’s a person where you can say ‘he killed a baby just to get rid of the evidence if the girl he raped’ and everyone says ‘yeah that makes sense he would do that. Killing a baby to cover up pedophilia sounds so him, that’s in line with how he behaves most days. I’d be shocked if he hadn’t killed a few babies to cover up little girls he raped, now that I think about it.’ does it even matter if he killed the baby?
I feel like it doesn’t. I feel like this hypothetical person was already so far past the moral event horizon that they needed to be swinging from a tree years ago. Sorting out specific crimes is something we can manage posthumously.
All proven offenses are supposed stack up, as if crimes proven true or not even matter in the context of Trump. That is the bigger problem: Trump is not held accountable for true crimes. It makes the unprovable crimes almost irrelevant
The proven offenses stack high enough they’re giving us Kessler syndrome.
If nobodys going to do shit, what is the point of proving things to a high standard?
Because it’s better to not regress as a society into a worse mob than we already are. No standards for Trump sets a precedent for no standards for anybody
I’m saying we can’t know why the fuck is real in them. They’ve had them so long that they could have been doctored in god knows how many ways.
Do I believe they out here killing babies? Not without proof no.
And why exactly would they have put that in there while doctoring the files?
Sooooo. Who’s actually going to arrest him? And then charge him?
All the cops that have orgasms every time they think about him.
Every single one of those people are common murderers and thugs. They should be thrown in prison and left to rot.
thats the problem they are not common murderers and thugs, they are billionaires, CEOs, multination conglomerates that run the world.
They behave and talk exactly like common murderers and thugs. I watched a fuckload of interrogation videos and the only difference between the fuckers who kill random people for fun and these people is their bank accounts and having an entire media apparatus behind you.
If Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold came back to life and had fox news behind them, if they decided to shoot up columbine a 2nd time many would be convinced it was necessary to fight the woke and nip woke activities and transgender professors in the bud.
I’ve met a lot of murderers and a staggering number of thugs. I think you owe all of them an apology.
This was a fun little Christmas story. We really need to invoke the second amendment. This dude really needs to face consequences. We really need to start holding the wealthy to account
We really need to start holding the wealthy to account
How do we do that?
Guillotine
As much as I hate trump, and would love this to be true, it’s well in the catagory of “uh he h, sure”
I can believe he would SA women and girls, but this is two steps further, and is a very uncomfortable report.
Shit like this is plenty bad
Wrong font , fake ?
No, I grabbed this directly off the .gov website.
Bone spur coward!
This is not something to focus on I’m going to need much more evidence and information before taking a claim like this seriously but this is all over with people treating it like a established fact which makes anti-trumpers look silly.
Provided that: Trump is allowed to, without ever disclosing any evidence, presume people to be immigrants, and then to also presume them to be illegal, until proven innocent, sending them to prison camps in the meantime, often without ever giving them any effective trial at any point; then I can likewise presume him guilty of these crimes until and unless he’s proven innocent too.
The difference is my presumption of guilt does not (and will not) result in him getting sent to a prison camp (unfortunately). Maybe you still think that is a realistic option if we just make sure to focus on the “right” evidence to eventually convict King Trump who hasn’t already found half a dozen ways to prematurely pardon himself of all possible wrongdoing. I don’t.
So you’re simply not going to stop me from presuming him guilty. Go ahead and call me or anyone who is willing to believe this a “silly” “anti-trumper” if you want. It will just make you look like a disingenuous moron.
This is not a logical, rational debate between opposing and equally valid positions that will be resolved fairly by following a specific process. This is an ideological war against inhumanity and injustice, and all is fair in love and war. Trump is inhumane, Trump is unjust, and Trump is guilty, and I don’t need any more evidence for any of that than the present reality has already provided. I am not a judge and this is not a trial, this is my personal opinion, and I will not relinquish my entitlement to it, thankyouverymuch.
