Is it clear?

  • QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip
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    Every piece of love advice I received as a kid in the 90s and 00s was equivalent to “try harder” or “pursue” or “don’t give up” and they made it sound so good. My poor wife… The early years couldn’t have been easy for her.

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          Hey I’m a woman, why do you feel the need to say trans inclusive, and not just “women only” this is my first time discovering this instance. And it comes off as performative although I see you’re drawing a line in the sand between you and the terfs-- but imo you’re just acknowledging the existence of terfs more than validating trans women.

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            I don’t think it’s a useful strategy to not acknowledge the existence of terfs or trans people. In a lot of similar communities there is always the question of whether trans people are actually included or not, and even if so, who under the trans spectrum, which always makes me uncertain about my place.

            And also, just ignoring problems such as terfs is not a solution. They exist whether their existence is acknowledged or not, sweeping things under the rug isn’t helpful

            Though, yeah, it is made clear in the rules, which I appreciate

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      I’m go glad my mom taught me from a young age that no means no whether I say it or others do. Unfortunately the latter stuck harder than the former… Well actually if only one could stick I suppose the better did

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    A gross retort I heard that’s always stuck with me: “a boyfriend’s a speed bump, not a stop sign”

    🤮

    Wish I could go back to my younger self just so I could tell that guy (and the others) to go fuck themselves.

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caBanned from community
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    I knew a girl who said I wasn’t a man if I took no for an answer. She ended up raping me and giving me a disease but as a victim there was nothing I could do.

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      Cool story, bro. One that totally happened, I’m sure. Maybe you should share it in a group where your posting isn’t explicitly against the rules?

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      Yeah I do basically the same thing, it’s rough when you actually want something but on the outside seem uncertain or reserved because you internally constantly think people hate you haha. And then it makes it difficult for the other person

      Probably why I enjoy saying like “do whatever unless I say [safe word]”. But still something that I need to work on, and actually be like, directly communicating. It’s healthy

      Edit: on a second read, I slightly misinterpreted your comment, but I’ll leave it

      • hazel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Eh, it goes both ways. I don’t ask for what I want or object clearly to the things I don’t want. One of the many reasons I have just decided to abstain from absolutely everything for now. Still haven’t figured out the correct way to accept a drunken compliment without accidentally inviting further advances though.

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          “Thank you for the compliment. Pity I can’t return it.”

          That would likely end any further conversation along those lines.

          Or to put it in the words of The Monks: “Nice legs, shame about yer face.”

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    Everyone deserves to be heard, especially when they so “no”.

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    Also, if she SHOULD mean yes but says no she doesn’t deserve it, for bad communication skills.

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      “I have a boy/girlfriend” is supposed to stop you.

      "Do you mind that I have a boy/girlfriend? " is meant to keep your interest while being transparent.

      Know what is being said.

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        I disagree with this sentiment that you are trying to convey. If language has to have intent assumed outside of context especially if the context is no – “no” should just be said and that should be respected fully.

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          I mean if you’re in a situation and they say “I have a boy/girlfriend” you could say “is that a no?” If for some reason you think it might not be.

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          It must be nice to live in a world where there are zero men who behave like mental toddlers in the bodies of, well, men who become a real threat when told simple words like “no”.

          Most of us don’t live in that world, but are insanely jealous of those of you who apparently do.

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          While I agree with you in principle, unfortunately a lot of people feel pressured to “soften the blow” from learned experiences or trauma or whatever else might be the case, as it’s not always the case that people take “no” for an answer and handle it respectfully. It’s a defense strategy

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      If someone is daying it in response to you hitting on them, it definitely does mean something. Even if someone might potentially be open to poly in another situation, if you’re like “hey you’re cute, wanna hang out” and they come back with “i have a partner” then thats them blowing you off for sure.

    • ZDL@lazysoci.alOP
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      It never “necessarily” meant anything. But even today it usually means something. And specifically if it’s being used in response to a pass, it means “NO”.

      But you probably already knew that, right? You’re just arguing to be argumentative, right?

      🙄

    • kingofras@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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      Sometimes even yes means no. Plenty of women still have an ‘I have to please’ chip on their shoulder and haven’t fully fleshed out their own boundaries.

      The golden rule is, if there’s too much confusion in the yes/no department, you’re misaligned and it’s probably healthiest to move on.

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        Although I get your point, the other side of the coin is that plenty of guys are really bad at picking up on emotional cues. So unless you actually say no, not all guys will understand yes is actually no.

        • kingofras@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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          Oh sorry. Someone gendered me for me apparently.

          I understand what you’re trying to do. Seeing how you’re actively trying to keep a part of the userbase out, perhaps you can reduce the mod load by having a private community for this. Better yet would be a c/womenstuffopen community that automatically mirrors posts from the private community into open discussion for all (including those who don’t wish to be publicly gendered).

          Feel free to delete all my stuff and ban me too (no offence taken) as I will probably respond to something else again if it pops up in my feed and I find it interesting.

          • LadyButterfly she/her@piefed.blahaj.zoneM
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            Thanks for your suggestion King! Think it’s best I politely ban you so that you don’t forget and comment. Really appreciate your consideration ❤️

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      You broke one of the only rules, knowing the rules, to post this uninspiring, milquetoast comment that doesn’t add anything of value to an already crystal-clear message?

      I’ll agree with the others here, “Yes” only means “Yes” if it’s enthusiastic, legal, and ongoing.

      • mika_mika@lemmy.world
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        I was gonna have my own qualms with this post until I read this guy’s comment and now I’m just gonna leave that be. Don’t wanna be grouped in with that lot.

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          It’s not, but if you actually need a rebuttal, let’s go:

          - insecure pose is related to its brethren of other insecure poses, such as the peace sign ✌️😉✌️, tongue sticking out😜, duck lips😙

          What about this pose is in any way insecure? She is confidently giving the finger to those who don’t respect consent.

          - there is this weird lust for such poses

          This is your own opinion and not substantiated by anything here as far as I can see.

          - the brand clothing indicating commodity fetishism aka lust

          There’s nothing wrong with people liking brand-name clothes. You personally may have a beef with it but calling it ‘lust’ is not justified by anything in the image.

          - the coffee indicating lack of self control and gluttony/lust aka addiction

          Again with the ‘lust’? Coffee is such a normal thing. There’s nothing here to indicate she’s addicted, or a glutton, or in any way out of control. You’re reading an insane amount into this simple drawing.

          - expectation for others to read your mind when speaking indirectly, vaguely, or with innuendo

          It’s not an expectation. She’s spelling out exactly the ways in which people try to ignore a woman’s lack of consent.

          - closed-mindedness to the world of opportinity

          Opportunity to what, have sex she doesn’t want to have? Are you serious right now?

          - the sublte implication of superiority

          Substantiate this please, because again, there’s nothing in the image supporting this claim.

          - the callous disregard for the other person

          You mean the person who’s callously disregarding her by ignoring the very clear lack of consent? Because that’s the type of person this image is aimed at.

          - the lack of empathy

          Same comment as above. Who exactly does she owe empathy?

          - the excessive self-conciet and pride in oneself

          Again, totally unsubstantiated in the image. She’s allowed to be proud of herself just like anybody else, but there’s nothing excessive here.

          You’ve read a lot of nonsense into this image. Maybe have a think about why that is.

    • ZDL@lazysoci.alOP
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      Here’s my best articulation for why this post irks me:

      You are so fucking full of yourself that you are currently inhaling your own intestinal methane using the most efficient placement possible.