Y’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
From what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
the last one you “buy”, anyway.
That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
now that gaming is getting better on Linux thanks to proton, I am unbothered
Exactly what I was thinking.
VR Support is sorely lacking, though. And no, the Quest standalone is not a solution - it’s an android phone strapped to your face.
The Valve Index works natively on Linux.
Virtual Desktop / Oculus does not
Seriously. I’ve been using Windows for years and every time I’ve tried to move it’s games that stopped me. Proton is literally a game changer. I’m not a hardcore Guild Wars 2 player but I play daily. The game ruins flawlessly with Proton.
Valve 👏
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers
Who can’t have them? 90-some percent of Linux distributions make them available to those who are unfortunate enough to need them.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
I’m not casting judgement on whether the drivers are good or not I’m merely pointing out that they’re not preinstalled and a lot of people don’t even know what a driver is.
If Linux isn’t out of the box simple easy like Windows people are never going to switch to it no matter how terrible Microsoft become. They will go to Apple before they go to Linux.
Hang on…
Some distros (mint, Ubuntu) prompt the user to install proprietary drivers during the installation process, it’s very easy.
On Windows you have to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website and install them manually, that’s crazy!
So some drivers are not installed like I said
No, you said:
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
You’re moving the goalposts.
It’s called Linux MInt.
Debian comes with proprietary drivers now
I think it comes with proprietary firmware, not drivers.
Apologies, mixed up the terms in my head
I look forward to welcoming all the new Linux users 🙂
Will you? Do you? To have and to hold? In sickness and in health?
And there’s NeoWin again with the Windows 12 clickbaits. This “leak” is just Windows 11 IoT Enterprise Subscription, and there’s absolutely nothing nowhere that even mentions the number 12.
Yeah, this seems like the kind of thing they’d try to push on Business/Pro+ users, where management is willing to fork out absurd amounts of money monthly as long as the per-seat price can be vaguely justified. Doing this for home users would just be dumb. Plenty of people would see the monthly subscription and go “eh I don’t need a computer, I can just use my phone.”
But… But… But… Russian propaganda! Microsoft bad, Linux good!
They’re too smart to do this …
More likely they will make the base OS free and charge for the premium SaaS features … like they already do with one drive, O365 and game pass
Yeah that seems like the more likely move, have a free tier that starts off decent and a premium tier with ‘power features’ or whatever, and then slowly drift almost everything over to the ‘premium’ tier until in a few years you won’t be able to change your desktop wallpaper without paying. That definitely sounds like the MS way to me.
YUP! And then something like a 1 year free demo when you buy a computer from an OEM … to make sure all the normies get used to it.
Right of the M$ playbook.
I for once can’t wait, it’s going to be a fun dumpster fire to watch
Seems a dumb way to destroy the desktop PC market.
People will feel scammed that after one year everything needs a subscription, will dump that shit on eBay, prices will crash, and the market will be dominated by iPads with mouse and keyboards
they’ve already done various low-cost or no-cost (to the oem) windows editions that you can’t change wallpaper, or default search engine, stripped out utility programs included in ‘regular’ editions, and even one that limited multitasking, disabled some network functions, and had hard limits on ram and total disk space.
Is that what Win 10 X was? I thought it was supposed to be a light build
windows 8 ‘with bing’, and ‘starter’ editions of earlier versions, are the ones that came to mind.
They may still for enterprise customers.
Linux usage on pc jumps to 72%
Once Linux figures out a better way to install apps to other drive without causing the user to figure out complex systems it will start closing the gap.
It’s called a graphical app store. Most distros meant for desktop usage that come with a desktop GUI have a software store. IIRC KDE’s Discover even has Flatpak support which leads to a higher variety of apps.
Otherwise, you can install an AppImage, or just a .deb file if you’re running something Debian-based.
I’ve not once seen a software store app (besides something like steam) ask me where to install stuff. Discover, Software Manager, etc. They all just install stuff, typically from the official repos but maybe from flatpak but none of them actually let you change where to install something.
binaries (executables) go in
/usr/bin, flatpaks are installed in their own sandboxes, appimages are wherever you put them.the shortcuts in application menus go in
/usr/share/applicationsas .desktop files which link to the app, so the user generally won’t have to worry about where the executable is.why would the app store ask you where to install stuff??
Because a lot of people have multiple drives. I have 2tb of storage across 4 drives. I want to use all of my drives, not just one. This is a very common workflow. Linux has never truly supported it.
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Choose either blue(Debian) or Fedora(RHEl)
Or choose btw (Arch)
I like Arch, but I don’t think it’s a good fit for the fed up with Windows crowd.
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I love when one of the richest companies on Earth (2nd by market cap, only behind Apple) just doesn’t make enough money that they need to consider this bullshit. Fuck this infinite profit growth. This is so fucking stupid. Everything is a god damn subscription. Gotta wring out every penny from our customers as the good Lord intended.
it’s getting pretty insane isn’t it? more and more obvious to the average person how consumer-unfriendly capitalism is
yes it does seem that way, but have you considered that maybe we should just all give all of our money to Microsoft and then just die of poverty? It would make their reports look so much nicer.
rip windows; thank you valve and proton
90% of all techbro “innovation” is one or more of the following:
“Put it on the cloud!”
“Make it a subscription service!”
“Put it on the blockchain!”
“Add more surveillance!”
You forgot “Use AI”
It’s so blatantly in front of me that I was like a fish not noticing water
Cool, even more reason to stick with 10 as long as I can. Enshitify everything, who even cares anymore?
And you’ll still hear “Well I know everything about Windows sucks and now I’m being charged out the ass, but I refuse to even consider switching because [one particular game doesn’t work / I’m used to it]”
I was asked why I can’t switch to Linux, so I replied listing the software I require Windows for, and then was called a fanboy and downvoted heavily…
It appears that the other guy didn’t call you a fanboy. He implied that you might be a troll, before you’d listed that software and after you’d called him a fanboy.
But yeah, it’ll probably be a while before there’s a Linux version of Adobe Illustrator, and the alternatives are different enough that it’d be a lot of work to switch even if it’s otherwise practicable.
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May I ask what sw is on that list?
Which is dumb. We want adoption, because there’s no other way that software will be portrs to Linux. I’m all for a libre base operating system, but I REALLY want some commercial software to be officially supported under Linux.
That Bitwig is supported under Linux is a godsend for beatmakers and producers, but I want Ableton Live on Linux :( and also Affinity Designer. Inkscape is nice, and so is Krita, but there is no serious desktop publishing apps on Linux that focuses on usability AND productivity.
The more users there are though, the bigger the chance is…
So don’t listen to those bastard’s. A bunch of self-defeatists. May I suggest Vanilla 2.0 when it’s finished? :) Then you can try to run some of that software using Wine Bottles…
…which doesn’t work for Affinity Designer :(
Remember that these are the same people that used to not think twice about $150 for Windows and Office added to their PC or laptop purchase price.
Will win 7 be the last ever usable OS from Microsoft, or will Windows 13 turn out decent? Only time will tell.
I think we already know. It’s not the technology but the business that spoiled everything since Windows 7. Technically, Windows is probably better than ever today. But for user experience it has never been worse.
Now that after two long years Windows 11 exited the alpha stage and now has an usable taskbar in beta, it starts to be decent. Since they finally allowed “never combine” in the taskbar last week I’m using it as my main os and I plan to upgrade all my win 10 machines (unless on older machines because I’m not going to bother with the artificial limitations and install checks, those will just go to Linux)
Personally, the only reason I don’t fully switch to Linux is because of the Adobe Suite, but other than that, I would absolutely make the switch. I’m hoping that if this promopts enough people to make the switch, then Adobe will finally make versions of their Programs for Linux.
Realistically wasm gets good enough, that everything starts to become a webapp so that every app is an every os app.
Monkey’s paw: now every app becomes subscription based
They would never. In their mind if you are using Linux is because you can’t afford windows. And if you can’t afford windows then you can’t afford adobe
But they used to offer support for Photoshop and Illustrator a while back if I’m not mistaken. That’s what’s annoying me.
Older versions are supported via wine/crossover, but not official support
The only mainstream professional graphics program with official Linux support was Corel draw, but for a single version twenty years ago, because they acquired a Linux distribution and they wanted to do a bundle os+office+desktop graphics. But nobody bought it (it’s difficult to even find a pirated copy of that) so they scrapped the idea immediately
Have you tried it on VM or wine and stuff? Try dual booting to test it out.
Have you used a gpu intensive application in a VM with good performance?
Adobe software quite heavily relies on cuda or OpenCL.
Not the poster above, but just wondering here. I don’t use Adobe products. I can see a VM not being the best. How about Wine? Can you just install Photoshop via vutris and go?
No, unfortunately. If it was possible, I think we could have gotten everyone that is stuck on Windows because of Adobe, over to Linux by now. Same story with M$ office. BUT that is kinda changing, because for M$ office, we have Office Online and Libreoffice available as alternatives that do the job really well, they got me through college. As for Adobe, there is an online version of Photoshop that you can run in a browser, so hopefully that will get good enough to allow some users to switch to Linux for professionals. Now for personal users they can probably just switch to GIMP. But even then, there’s the issue of the other Adobe Creative Cloud Suite.
I tried wine recently to see if I can get Total Annihilation to work. I played with Wine in the mid 2000’s and gotten office 2003 to run on Suse then.
OMFG the mess when I recently tried to just run a simple exe that doesn’t even need a full installation.
Adobe sadly don’t just make Photoshop which is a remarkably good product. Even more so with their new features. I use Lightroom and nothing that exists for Linux comes close. All that needs some serious GPU integration.
DaVinci resolve is amazing and a real alternative to Premiere. The problem I see is binary compatibility. Even Linus admits that the Linux desktop has a problem with that.
I do have high hopes for web tech to evolve enough to make cross platform a thing again. Maybe ChromeOS will help there. VS Code is a good example here. With WebGl Vulkan in the browser and OpenCL that should become viable soon.
Was it Total Annihilation kingdoms or commander?
Thanks for looking into it. It’s just standard TA with mods. I’m sure it can be made to run even more if you buy the steam version.
Linus mentioned in one interview that Steam does amazing work for Linux adoption on the desktop.
The problem is simply that standard Linux software is still a lot of work to get going and maintain. Work I just don’t have time for.
I just tried it, only was able to find it in the Commander Pack. Played just fine for me with just double clicking the installer, then clicking the new exe
haven’t tried Photoshop, but what exe didn’t work in wine for you? If I load them in with Lutris, I haven’t found anything I can’t run. Just having wine installed and double clicking an exe I haven’t had as much luck, it doesn’t find dependencies.
Edit: I misread. I can try out Total Annihilation and see if it works. Lutris + protonGE has been pretty much perfect for me these days
Maybe just stop using shit products, I don’t know.
didn’t they say windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows? hence why they jumped to the number 10 as it’s nice and round.
I thought they jumped to it because ancient, poorly made software would check for Windows 9* to cover 95 and 98, and could now potentially catch windows 9 as well
Java was one of those poorly made software, but it seems stupid to program a check like that. What’s the chance that after Windows 98, Microsoft would release Windows 99? The check should just used the version number. If Windows 95 was 4.0 and Windows 98 was 4.1 should have done the check as “4.*” as a future compatible version could have been 4.2 (win me was 4.9) while one with so many changes that it might need a newer version of the app could have been 5.0 (windows 2000)
I said it was going to by my last version of Windows. Coincidence?
Yes, but they’ve always been liars.
No the company itself never said it
