• tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    Which i never did. You cannot deny the reality, that many Jewish people and organizations want to tie all Jewish people to Israel. It is the predominant view in the larger organizations, that are often recognized as spokespeople for the Jewish community in the respective country, continent or world.

    I also find it wrong, that Israel is claiming to be representative of the Jewish people as a whole and having a lot of organized support for it. The voices to the contrary need to organize and make themselves heard.

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      1 year ago

      And because of that, it’s justified for people to constantly expect me to prove I have no allegiance to Israel? Bullshit. I should not have to prove I don’t support apartheid just because I’m Jewish.

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        1 year ago

        You shouldn’t HAVE to, in a perfect world. Unfortunately, the ones who are making it not a reality are the Jewish organizations

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          1 year ago

          So it’s the Jews fault that all Jews have to justify to non-Jews that we’re not bad people? That’s what you’re really going with?

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            1 year ago

            Bro everyone has been repeating this over and over:

            No! It’s Israel’s fault.

            Why are YOU blaming others for what Israel is doing to Jewish identity?

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              So non-Jews are not at fault at all for being bigoted? It’s all the fault of Israeli Jews? There’s no bigotry involved at all? That’s what you’re saying?

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                1 year ago

                What? Why would think that’s what I said?

                And if people ask a Jewish person “hey do you support Bibi and the apartheid state of Israel?” how is that bigotry? It’s not assuming anything.

                It’s hopeful the person is not a fascist. Not accusatory or anything.

                There are A LOT of Jews and Israelis that don’t support the apartheid state of Israel. We all know that.

                I’d ask a white South African if they supported the apartheid state there, for fucking sure.

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                    1 year ago

                    I don’t think it is.

                    It’s not bigotry to ask a French person if they support Macron. Or a Russian if they support Putin.

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                Did you just finish Sophistry 101? Cause that’s all we’re hearing out of you.

                I mean you’ve climbed up on the cross, and it looks like you’re even putting the nails in yourself.

                Save some wood for Jesus.

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            1 year ago

            Did you miss the other commentors explaining why that’s the case? I personally don’t do that, but I can understand why others do. As usual, blame the politicians

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                How is that even anti semitic? They’re pointing out an action that major Jewish organisations are undeniably doing. You don’t get to play the antisemitic card for honest criticism. That’s exactly the sort of BS Israel is pulling that makes everybody annoyed at them.

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                  It’s antisemitic because I have to justify myself as a Jew because people like them know this organization exists. As I have said multiple times- I have to justify that I am not a bad person because of my ancestry. Regularly. And you’re saying that non-Jews bear no fault there. Fucking bullshit.

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                    Antisemitism is hatred of Jews. People assuming that you’re connected with Israel is not antisemitism, you’re just diluting the word.

                    Do you realise that your response is exactly what the groups are hoping for when they’re sowing their ‘Jews = Israel’ propaganda? They’re defining your identity to the world, and by getting upset at the world for accepting that propaganda, you’ve allowed the organisations to drive a wedge between you and non-Jews. As a Chinese, I experience something similar with China. I can understand your feelings of annoyance. But you’ve got to understand that you’re falling for the plans of the politicians when you respond in the way you are now.