"House Republican leadership put a giant bullseye on Medicaid, with the intent to strip Americans of their healthcare benefits to pay for tax cuts for billionaires and big corporations."
Whatevs…. Democrats lost the election and Congress. It’s team fascists now. But sure, gripe about the people who very specifically didn’t do this shit.
Dems lost due to their inability to rally the voters. 8 million stayed home because dems doubled down on their typical bullshit to protect their own status quo rather than fight for the working class. Failure to recognize this brought us here and until we can call it what it is were gonna stay here.
The irony of people that have been letting the Democrats get away with complacency for decades being all “you’ll find out…”
They’re an ineffective out of touch party because you keep letting them get away with “vote blue no matter who” as their only cohesive strategy.
If you joined the left in pushing back on the Democrat ratchtet effect many elections ago, we wouldn’t be here. The second best time is now.
Keep voting blue no matter who. In 8 years when they parade the Trump family around in front of you as allies against the current Republican you’ll be chastising us for not supporting Trump’s party. It happened with Bush and Cheney.
Perhaps I misinterpreted your comment in this thread, I’m addressing the people that keep picking on voters that couldn’t stomach voting for genocide or more of the same from the Democratic party. Liberals are making bigger enemies of leftists than they are of conservatives.
Clearly that wasn’t enough. So perhaps people should not be discouraged to beat the Democratic party into shape so that hopefully next time around they do more instead of less than enough. Because if the Democrats change nothing and win by default next time due to the Republican clown car running off the cliff, we’re gonna be playing the same game again in the next-next election. And the ratchet clicks to the right a few more notches.
Who is this we? Because you seem to get it. Most of Lemmy does. So the issue isn’t we. Unless one is willing to primary their local democratic leader, there is little we can do other than rally others to vote and vote blue.
However, most of what I see on Lemmy are people rallying against democratic leaders. It’s doom and gloom. No real solutions.
So we Lemmy users have our own issues to recognize and reconcile. Pointing the blame outward is one of them. Anyone pointing out this issue of ours tends to get downvote so we Lemmy users aren’t ready to be part of the solution with no signs of that changing anytime soon
This is specifically why they lost the election. What benefit is there for you to defend it? Because of that, we’re currently stuck with Trump, remember?
I see it as griping about how they have proven time and again to not be the “good guys” people want them to be. Yes, the GOP is a monstrosity, but democrat leadership doesn’t want equality very badly, either. So yeah, I’ll sling a little mud in that direction as well.
Its not even worth my time to critique the GOP. Irredeemable hoarders and haters.
Silly me. I thought it was the fascists and all the arseholes who voted for the fascists that caused the fascism. I didn’t realise it was the people who provided the alternative to the fascists that actually caused the fascism.
If you really want to actually blame something other than the fascists, then your electoral system is about 99% responsible for the current fascist shit storm.
All I’m seeing is people basically make the argument “The Jews are responsible for Nazi Germany!” Like, I’m one of the people the regime wants to “eradicate from public life. No exceptions” and I did my damnedest to support Harris, tried to warn everyone, did my best, and now all I hear is how it’s my fault I did this. It’s victim blaming by garbage people who I used to really give a fuck about. What even is the point anymore? At least the suffering I’ll go through won’t just be me alone. I can die knowing the suffering is coming for them and their families too. They certainly deserve it as much as I do.
I will never understand the mental gymnastics you people do to come to the conclusion that the democrats are totally blameless for our current situation.
This is about extending Trump’s existing tax cuts. Cuts that were not cancelled by Biden throughout his mandate. So sure, they didn’t enact them but they did inact on them once they had the power.
I do and I think the party has tools to whip them into shape if they wished to. E.g. threatening to do their job by investigating the conflict of interest issues of Manchin’s wife. Or paying them off. You know, if they wanted to I’m sure they could have found options. The Republican party demonstrated a few of those for whipping their own. But I think a much more plausible explanation is that the vast majority of owner class donors to the Democratic party were happy with them failing to whip Manchin and Sinema into voting with the party.
It’s almost like the Democrats are controlled opposition? Especially with their recent gripes about the RaDiCaL lEfT asking them not to confirm Marco Rubio on the first vote nearly unanimously. And do things like, quorum counts. To slow the wheels of authoritarianism.
It literally reads like they don’t even pay attention to their jobs in any real way. Like the whole job is getting elected and everything that comes after is just not getting caught.
I don’t know why this is heavily downvoted. The DNC leadership will benefit from the social safety nets being destroyed along with republicans. Shitty candidates with shitty platforms is as good as endorsing fascists.
Downvote me too, if you must. The underlying problem of only having two viable parties will persist.
Bernie was my guy, but had he won, he wouldnt rule through executive order and would have faced opposition from “both sides”
My god, the downvotes on your comment show just how many on the left are just as ignorant as the MAGA’s. Neither party represents the american people anymore. They both serve their capitalist sponsors. The only difference between the GOP and Dems, is that the Dems pretend to care while doing nothing to undue the 30 years of unrestricting capitalism “At least we arnt assholes like the GOP”, and the GOP are glaringly transparent about how they dont give 2 fucks about us and just say “Hey you, stupid fucking yokel, that minority group its trendy to hate this decade is the reason you’re not a billionaire”
Its a choice between Capitalism Turbo Yeehaw Edition Made with 100% more Freedom!, and Homemade Free Range Organic Capitalism 💞
But as long as you keep getting conned into voting for wedge issues while never demanding anything else, you keep the system working as intended.
Yep. Dems conned the voters into thinking the short game was the long game and keep harvesting the dividends, laughing harder than the Reps, all the way to their offshore accounts.
MAGA will blame this on Democrats.
It is on the Democrats, they are also on team kleptocrat. It’s past time to wake up!
Whatevs…. Democrats lost the election and Congress. It’s team fascists now. But sure, gripe about the people who very specifically didn’t do this shit.
Dems lost due to their inability to rally the voters. 8 million stayed home because dems doubled down on their typical bullshit to protect their own status quo rather than fight for the working class. Failure to recognize this brought us here and until we can call it what it is were gonna stay here.
I understood the dem line on things, yet i voted to not make things significantly worse.
If only non-voters understood what they allowed.
They will understand too late, as usual.
The irony of people that have been letting the Democrats get away with complacency for decades being all “you’ll find out…”
They’re an ineffective out of touch party because you keep letting them get away with “vote blue no matter who” as their only cohesive strategy.
If you joined the left in pushing back on the Democrat ratchtet effect many elections ago, we wouldn’t be here. The second best time is now.
Keep voting blue no matter who. In 8 years when they parade the Trump family around in front of you as allies against the current Republican you’ll be chastising us for not supporting Trump’s party. It happened with Bush and Cheney.
What an amazing thing to say to someone else. No arguments at all honestly. Maybe tell it to Greg Proops, he still likes Biden.
Perhaps I misinterpreted your comment in this thread, I’m addressing the people that keep picking on voters that couldn’t stomach voting for genocide or more of the same from the Democratic party. Liberals are making bigger enemies of leftists than they are of conservatives.
Clearly that wasn’t enough. So perhaps people should not be discouraged to beat the Democratic party into shape so that hopefully next time around they do more instead of less than enough. Because if the Democrats change nothing and win by default next time due to the Republican clown car running off the cliff, we’re gonna be playing the same game again in the next-next election. And the ratchet clicks to the right a few more notches.
Who is this we? Because you seem to get it. Most of Lemmy does. So the issue isn’t we. Unless one is willing to primary their local democratic leader, there is little we can do other than rally others to vote and vote blue.
However, most of what I see on Lemmy are people rallying against democratic leaders. It’s doom and gloom. No real solutions.
So we Lemmy users have our own issues to recognize and reconcile. Pointing the blame outward is one of them. Anyone pointing out this issue of ours tends to get downvote so we Lemmy users aren’t ready to be part of the solution with no signs of that changing anytime soon
This is specifically why they lost the election. What benefit is there for you to defend it? Because of that, we’re currently stuck with Trump, remember?
I see it as griping about how they have proven time and again to not be the “good guys” people want them to be. Yes, the GOP is a monstrosity, but democrat leadership doesn’t want equality very badly, either. So yeah, I’ll sling a little mud in that direction as well.
Its not even worth my time to critique the GOP. Irredeemable hoarders and haters.
I don’t see the point in hungrily gobbling down the cocks of people who enables fascism. It’s their failures that lead us here.
Silly me. I thought it was the fascists and all the arseholes who voted for the fascists that caused the fascism. I didn’t realise it was the people who provided the alternative to the fascists that actually caused the fascism.
If you really want to actually blame something other than the fascists, then your electoral system is about 99% responsible for the current fascist shit storm.
You’re making this out to be as if what the alternative is offering to voters doesn’t matter.
All I’m seeing is people basically make the argument “The Jews are responsible for Nazi Germany!” Like, I’m one of the people the regime wants to “eradicate from public life. No exceptions” and I did my damnedest to support Harris, tried to warn everyone, did my best, and now all I hear is how it’s my fault I did this. It’s victim blaming by garbage people who I used to really give a fuck about. What even is the point anymore? At least the suffering I’ll go through won’t just be me alone. I can die knowing the suffering is coming for them and their families too. They certainly deserve it as much as I do.
I will never understand the mental gymnastics you people do to come to the conclusion that the democrats are totally blameless for our current situation.
It’s similar to the mental gymnastics people do to place the blame on the losers and not the people actually enacting the changes.
This is about extending Trump’s existing tax cuts. Cuts that were not cancelled by Biden throughout his mandate. So sure, they didn’t enact them but they did inact on them once they had the power.
How was Biden going to cancel an act of Congress?
Gestures wildly at the Trump administration
Didn’t Democrats hold the house and senate for 2 years?
If you call Manchin and Sinema democrats
I do and I think the party has tools to whip them into shape if they wished to. E.g. threatening to do their job by investigating the conflict of interest issues of Manchin’s wife. Or paying them off. You know, if they wanted to I’m sure they could have found options. The Republican party demonstrated a few of those for whipping their own. But I think a much more plausible explanation is that the vast majority of owner class donors to the Democratic party were happy with them failing to whip Manchin and Sinema into voting with the party.
Isn’t it strange how that keeps happening?
It’s almost like the Democrats are controlled opposition? Especially with their recent gripes about the RaDiCaL lEfT asking them not to confirm Marco Rubio on the first vote nearly unanimously. And do things like, quorum counts. To slow the wheels of authoritarianism.
It literally reads like they don’t even pay attention to their jobs in any real way. Like the whole job is getting elected and everything that comes after is just not getting caught.
I don’t know why this is heavily downvoted. The DNC leadership will benefit from the social safety nets being destroyed along with republicans. Shitty candidates with shitty platforms is as good as endorsing fascists.
Downvote me too, if you must. The underlying problem of only having two viable parties will persist.
Bernie was my guy, but had he won, he wouldnt rule through executive order and would have faced opposition from “both sides”
My god, the downvotes on your comment show just how many on the left are just as ignorant as the MAGA’s. Neither party represents the american people anymore. They both serve their capitalist sponsors. The only difference between the GOP and Dems, is that the Dems pretend to care while doing nothing to undue the 30 years of unrestricting capitalism “At least we arnt assholes like the GOP”, and the GOP are glaringly transparent about how they dont give 2 fucks about us and just say “Hey you, stupid fucking yokel, that minority group its trendy to hate this decade is the reason you’re not a billionaire”
Its a choice between Capitalism Turbo Yeehaw Edition Made with 100% more Freedom!, and Homemade Free Range Organic Capitalism 💞
But as long as you keep getting conned into voting for wedge issues while never demanding anything else, you keep the system working as intended.
Yep. Dems conned the voters into thinking the short game was the long game and keep harvesting the dividends, laughing harder than the Reps, all the way to their offshore accounts.
you must be one of the green voters!