Elon Musk did a Nazi salute. I’m Tim Walz.
Elon Musk did a Nazi Salute twice. I’m not Tim Walz just a regular person with eyes.
Since he’s now officially part of the government this is actually censorship.
You don’t lose the right, as an individual, to file lawsuits just because you’re working for the government. That’s not using the government’s authority; it’s something that’s available to any individual. Musk can sue without running into First Amendment restrictions on government action.
However, he might have a harder time winning such a lawsuit insofar as he might be more of a public figure due to serving in the government. The bar for defamation is higher for public figures in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
A series of court rulings led by New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) established that for a public official (or other legitimate public figure) to win a libel case in an American court, the statement must have been published knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth (i.e. actual malice).
Hard to argue he’s not a public figure already.
Gertz v Welsh: He probably is an individual who has “…assumed roles of especial prominence in the affairs of society. Some occupy positions of such persuasive power and influence that they are deemed public figures for all purposes. More commonly, those classed as public figures have thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved. In either event, they invite attention and comment.”
Not gonna check if that’s still good law. Westlaw, you are dead to me.
He never denied it.
Would love if it would go to trial (he will make sure it won’t) and court deciding that it indeed a Nazi salute.
There’s nothing even remotely similar, because in the past 80 years we were trying to make sure no one confused us accidentally with Nazis.
Yea, which is the damning part! The whole “misunderstanding” can be wrapped up by by a single sentence: Sorry guys, that wasn’t that and I hope nazis gonna get pegged by living electric poles!
He thinks, “can’t we all get beyond this Nazi stuff?” like he said in Germany, while promoting Nazis, is going to make it all go away.
The funny thing is in Germany, you can kinda punch a nazi! You can definitely punch one if you are jewish and you might be able to otherwise depending on the judge! In the past several attorneys argued successfully that even the mere presence of nazis can existentially be dangerous and feeling threatened is justified!
I think it would be really funny if someone invited musky :3
He probably didn’t click on the “with this one simple trick” link
True shame! I would have never gotten a 70 inch dick if I hadn’t! It’s actually terrible, please send help!
I think it’s safe to say that nobody will confuse Elon with a Nazi.
Hard to confuse an apple with an apple
Yes one defense against a libel suit is to prove that what you said was the truth. Would be hilarious to see this play out in court.
Elon Musk, the Nazi?
Correct. Elon Musk, the Nazi who does Nazi salutes because Elon Musk is a Nazi.
The same Nazi whose Nazi dad even said Elon was a Nazi.
Weird!
It is so obvious Mush knew what he was doing. He was positively bursting with that fifth grade “I’m going disrupt the whole class with this outburst” energy.
And then you get to the grossness of the billionaires grinning and cheering in the background while he did it.
He’s a lot like trump. When you have that much money, it’s basically infinite, you get anything you want, anything. So you just do stuff, whatever pops into your head, because there are no consequences. When there are no consequences, nothing matters. You’re the main character, everything revolves around you. What does that do to a person’s mind? We see the answer before us in Musk and Trump.
It must get so boring, when you’re surrounded by people who are nothing more than background characters in your movie, servants at your beck and call, sycophants flattering you. So you have to do outrageous things to get people to react. Do a nazi salute. Threaten to invade Greenland or Panama. Get them to say something against you, so you can punish them, to feel your power. Sue them, destroy them, squash them like a bug because you need to prove to yourself over and over that you’re not the pathetic loser your father always said you were.
Damn, that hurt and it wasn’t even directed at me.
There’s a growing body of research from behavioral neuroscience which indicate that power and privilege have a deleterious effect on the brain. People with high-socioeconomic status often:
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Have reduced empathy and compassion.
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Have a diminished ability to see from someone else’s perspective.
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Are more impulsive.
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Have a dangerously high tolerance for risk.
When you don’t need other people to survive, they become irrelevant to you. When you’re in charge, you can behave very badly and people will still be polite and respectful toward you. Instead of reciprocity, it’s a formalized double standard. When you have status, you’re given excessive credibility, and rarely hear the very ordinary push-back from others most of us are accustomed to, instead you receive flattery and praise and your ideas are taken seriously by default.
Some sources:
Hubris syndrome: An acquired personality disorder? A study of US Presidents and UK Prime Ministers over the last 100 years
Does power corrupt? An fMRI study on the effect of power and social value orientation on inequity aversion.
Social Class and the Motivational Relevance of Other Human Beings: Evidence From Visual Attention
The Psychology of Entrenched Privilege: High Socioeconomic Status Individuals From Affluent Backgrounds Are Uniquely High in Entitlement
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Sorry this is from the dude that called someone rescuing people in a cave “pedo guy” because he didn’t get the chance to look like the hero?
Unfortunately he won that defamation case, probably mostly because the diver made the mistake of hiring future Trump side character Lin Wood.
musk got confused because he wanted his tor pedo to reduce the kids. Presumably to give them to his partner, long time friend of Epstein, rapist, and self-admitted lover of little girls donald trump.
Holy fuck. You think it was an Epstein thing? Like he said to Elon, “Get those kids out. Send a couple to the island and we can say they died.”
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If you have a case, you don’t “threaten” to sue, you just do it
I would, because actually suing someone sounds like a ton of effort and expense. But I’m not the richest asshole in the planet and don’t have an army of lawyers on retainer.
Discovery demands all Elon’s private messages that could be antisemitic.
As a Minnesotan, I’m cool with spending my money to air the Nazi’s dirty laundry.
And all IP addresses of all Twitter users to find all his sock puppets he uses to be even more antisemitic with.
This is the real tea tbh. We all know what his main account is doing. Show us the alts he uses when he doesn’t feel comfortable being fashy on main.
Private messages from a person who owns the website…
If it wasn’t a Nazi salute then do it again. Do it in broad daylight in a public place where you don’t have security. You know what you did and any sane person knows what you did. And still, to this day, you haven’t even denied it.
Go do it in Germany
Ok but… It’s not an accusation. He did do that.
Twice.
…and then he made holocaust jokes
…and then he attended a German Nazi rally
…and then the administration he works with announced a concentration camp for undesirable immigrants
You’re misinterpreting a long and consistent pattern of behaviour. And now Elon is going to sue you because that’s what tough non-snowflake people do.
That’s right.
I left out the part where Nazis make outrageous, racist claims on Twitter, and he responds: “True.”
I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.
In any decent country, this would go to court and Musk would be a laughing stock. In America though? That idiot might win.
America is not a country, it’s a corp
According to the article, Walz said on MSNBC
“We spent three days debating, or trying to debate that ‘President Musk’ gave a Nazi salute. Of course he did”
Then one of Musk’s Xitter followers said “I hope Elon sues [Walz] for all he’s worth.” to which Musk replied “I think I will”.
So, Musk was just talking out his ass, and it’s doubtful he’ll actually file suit.
This has all got me thinking, how else can Musk be manipulated? Exacerbating cat fights in the administration and surrounding MAGAsphere seems like one of the most promising ways to prevent them from doing too much damage.
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Public figure “freeze peach” absolutist Elon Musk thinks the first amendment is his little bitch.
“Let’s essentially tell trans people to kill themselves but when I do two full-throated heils at inauguration live, how dare you call them what they are.”
I hope he free speech’s his way to a bullet.
Worth noting that he has not, at any point, denied it was a Nazi salute. Closest thing to a denial he’s done so far is reply, “Thank you,” to an ADL tweet defending him, and he immediately followed that up with a bunch of Nazi puns. Feels like that’s gonna hurt his case.
