Countless firsthand accounts of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have disappeared across the last decade, and it may speak to larger issues with the historical record in the digital age.

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    Meanwhile archive sites are getting sued by greedy copyright owners

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      … for illegally distributing copyrighted material…

      I’m so tired of whiny bitches expecting everything for free

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        I’m so sick of whiny corporate bitches thinking they deserve $400 million payouts because some website implemented a free digital library of books they already owned so people could still borrow them during COVID when all the libraries were shut down.

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          Hey I totally understand why they did it, I’m just saying it’s not how the law Works around copyright, and that’s not changing until we change the law

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          OMG I’m a bootlicker for wanting to respect copyright law for long enough to get rid of it, yeah ok bub, fun hot take, try again

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            Why are you worried about some rich corporations’ “property”… Focus on your own shit.

            I will start respecting copyright law as soon as corporations start respecting “the laws” until then fuck 'em

            Playing by the rules is for clowns who don’t understand the system.

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              I am an IP holder, does that make me a big bad corporation? Copyright law protects more than companies.

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                IP (authorship, protection from plagiarism as in “don’t say that what others wrote is yours, and put a reference”) is fine, copyright is not.

                A specific item can be produced by a few people or one person, and ultimately their inputs add up to this 1 item, always. So it’s a finite resource possible to own.

                An idea can come to any number of minds simultaneously and independently. You own what comes to your mind, but not what comes to other minds. So copyright is in fact aggression against another person, similarly to theft and coercion.

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            Copyright for individuals is to be respected. But corporations? Fuck them.

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          If i had my way ,there would be no such thing as copyright (at least not in it’s current form in the slightest), so, I don’t think they would appreciate my stance so much… My equivalent position on trademark law also would jostle their magical britches quite a bit.

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        The whiny bitches to whom you refer clearly do not appreciate your analysis.

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          Thats ok, this isn’t a social credit system, voting is to represent how the community feels about statements. I can handle people not liking what i say. If getting downvoted here, somehow meant i couldn’t participate elsewhere, then maybe i would care at all, but also, i dont think I would be here if thats how it worked.

          edit: i dont care about the emotional downvoting, i think its a little funny

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            people aren’t downvoting you emotionally. they just very much disagree with the notion of an individual owning intellectual property, and the idea that copyright somehow spurs innovation instead of snuffing it.

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    So, in short, the whole “just someone else’s computer” thing will always come back to bite you. And of course, we’re still struggling with this. Here on the Fedi, everything is tied up on servers run by admins we know little about without much recourse to download archives or migrate, unless you’re up for full self hosting.

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      Except the fediverse is highly resilient in this regard, since all of the data is replicated. If an instance goes down, all of that instance’s posts are still available on every other instance.

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        There is that, yes. But how much control do you the user have over those caches should the original server/instance from which they were made go down? Can you easily archive or retrieve them? Edit or delete them? Do anything to further ensure their longevity? Link them back to your new social media account so that others can easily identify them as yours? Verify, in any way, that they were (or were not!) written by you as the owner of a new account?

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      theoretically one couls create a lemmyverse archive that crawls the lemmyverse and subscribes to all communities it finds and archives all federation activities that it receives

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        Would you even need to subscribe?

        Setting up an instance should probably work, unless other instances choose to defederate from it, I guess

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      How would we piece our history back together?

      Maybe some kind of foundation to stem the period of bahbawism?

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      Luckily, it is possible to shield the power supply from a carrington event at least, and we do have satellites keeping watch. The main issue is making sure all the power infrastructure is actually shielded, which costs money >.<

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        Bro Texas won’t even pay to weatherize their power grid and they know cold weather happens every winter.

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            No that was the bullshit ercot put out to cover for the fact that fossil fuel production dropped by half or more. Source:

            But the majority of the power losses were from gas plants, including 25 gigawatts of capacity that went offline. Coal and nuclear outages cut another 4.5 gigawatts and 1.3 gigawatts respectively, according to the University of Texas at Austin report. Considering that peak demand was about 70 gigawatts, losing about 30 gigawatts from gas, coal and nuclear was a disaster.

            Wind energy also performed poorly, starting with ice accumulation that led to some wind farms needing to shut down early in the crisis. Wind power outages peaked at about 9 gigawatts, a number that takes into account wind levels on those days, according to the UT Austin repor

            It’s not like wind is blameless, but (the power crisis) wasn’t caused by wind failure,” said Webber. To say otherwise is “at best misleading, at worst an outright lie.”

            Natural gas and coal totals 70% of their total generation, and wind was 20%, so losing half of both means fossil fuels was much more impactful.

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        To be honest this doesn’t make me any more optimistic. I’m sure there are countries that might spend resources on this, but mine 100% won’t. And if the majority of the world is screwed, I guess we can all agree there won’t be any stable place.

        This episode of Why Files was really worrying.

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      Pretty obvious. We build a time machine to go back to 1776. Then, when it malfunctions and sends to 1976 instead we learn the art of The Hustle.

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      We would definitely lose some data but I’m guessing there’s a few hundred backups of Wikipedia and the important stuff floating around.

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        A huge solar storm could wipe out the backups too unless they’re stored in a deep vault or something.

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          Solar storms arent really a risk for small electronics, more so if they aren’t connected to the grid. You wouldn’t need a deep vault, more like a cupboard.

          There is a risk the hard drives wear out before society gets the grid back online and restarts producing hard drives though. We already don’t have that many facilities and they would certainly be taken offline, and the knowledge to build those facilities, that might get lost properly when the storm would hit.

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            Time is more of a concern for CDs. They don’t really last that long.

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    I’ll be honest, I had forgotten MySpace was a thing back then. Every single page I went to was gaudy as hell and took forever to load on my dial up connection at the time. I’m a little surprised they’re still around. And damn, it looks a lot different!

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      Yea it’s a music centric site now, right?

      Edit: I was curious so I looked it up. They either have 6-10 employees and 1-5M in revenue, or 523 employees and 84.2M in revenue, depending on whether you misspell ‘employees’ in the search or not (on bing).

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        I don’t remember the specific article I read that dove into this but it was essentially sold due to it being one of the first large data collections (user data). I’m not sure the extent its traweled now but before the social media machine took off, it was the largest if not one of the largest concentrations of actual data points to run algorithms against.

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    Someday historians will be reading all those emails our grandparents printed looking for cultural context.

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    I see this as a plus. People have a right to be forgotten. The problem nowadays is that companies track you and keep all your data forever and then use it to advertise to you.

    At the very least, data collection and preservation should be explicitly opt-in.

    If you really want to save something, download it yourself.

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    Do not worry. History will not forget the murders American thugs comitted there.