Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?

  • AmbroisindeMontaigu
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    Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like “culture wars”) are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.

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      Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people’s unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.

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      You don’t need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It’s all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.

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        I’m not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.

        I’m saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they’re involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.

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      It’s interesting that the big “revelations” of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:

      Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.

      The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.

      Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.

      So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women’s health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean… yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).

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        in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
        @MountNDoU
        @toiletobserver
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        2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).

        Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.

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      I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)

      Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.

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        What I wouldn’t do to have the transcripts of his private conversation with Putin that only one other US personnel, the interpreter, was allowed to attend. Just Putin, Trump, and the translator. No one else was allowed in other than Putins translator.

        Try to tell me Putin wasn’t giving orders or giving information to Trump that he expected Trump to use in Putins favor…

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44883072

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          I suspect that Trump’s taking national classified documents included these documents. Trump classified these with the highest of secret classifications at the time to hide them, and he did not dare leave them for Biden to get his hands on.

          If Biden’s administration could still could get these transcripts, they could have been redacted to take out the sensitive parts and been declassified. We are likely to not have all the secret documents that Trump took, still.

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        I can’t see a situation where the US would have actively supported Russia, but it’s 100% believable that our support for Ukraine would be significantly muted if Trump were still president. And this would almost certainly also translate into reduced support from the rest of NATO.

      • @StThicket@reddthat.com
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        Trump being on the ruzzian payroll is not a secret. He’s a puppet.

        When he was elected (with the help of russia), he was brougt into a dark smoke filled room that smelled like sigarettes and cheap vodka, with a dosen men was sitting behind their desks. He couldn’t see any faces. No words said before Trump said: “what’s my agenda?”

      • @n0m4n@lemmy.world
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        I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.

        Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.

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      Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.

  • @ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
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    Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.

    Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.

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    I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.

    I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.

    • @cogman@lemmy.world
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      This really isn’t a conspiracy, it’s pretty much just fact. The Mueller report was damning in showing the trump Russia connection. If we had sane bribery laws and a doj willing to prosecute it’d be a slam dunk. (Our bribery laws practically require an elected official while exercising their elected power to say “I’m doing this because of a sweet bribe”. Nothing less qualifies). Literally half of it was dedicated to Trump Russian connections.

      The Senate intelligence report on Russian election interference confirmed the Mueller report, that the Russians were working to get trump into office.

    • @Cheesus@lemmy.world
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      For Trump it’s not so much dirt but he got a lot funding after he was a disgraced business man in the 90s that hasn’t been sourced. I always thought he got it from Russia leading towards his allegiance to them.

    • @tacosplease@lemmy.world
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      Russia hacked RNC and DNC servers and released only the interesting stuff from the Democrats’ servers. Never heard a peep of what they found on the RNC side but you can be certain it was way more shady than the little bit that came out about Democrats.

      I think it’s that information plus probably longstanding financial ties to Russian donors that keeps many Republicans under Russian influence.

  • @jantin@lemmy.world
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    Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.

    Is there this kind of conspiracy now?

    ABSOLUTELY YES.

    In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It’s almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought “hey, this is actually a decent plan!”

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      It might feel almost like that but there’s no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.

      None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.

      There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.

      • @jantin@lemmy.world
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        Yes. And they know protecting themselves means destroying lives of billions so they need to make sure the billions won’t go after them. And since the masses are also aware of the situation it means at least short-term planning against the people. This requires at least basic coordination between interest groups and gradual capturing of whatever means of power are still left for the masses. Then they figure out how easy it is to wield even more power and off we go to the land of the tin foil headwear.

    • @jantin@lemmy.world
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      I’d put the cutoff between the “natural” history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.

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    Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.

    • @halvar@lemm.ee
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      As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.

    • @Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz
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      The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen

      • Chuymatt
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        Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.

      • Bizzle
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        Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable

    • @Nonameuser678@aussie.zone
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      The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.

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        I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.

    • @Jimmycakes@lemmy.world
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      They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.

    • sadreality
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      After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.

      No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.

      • Throwaway
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        Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.

  • @khannie@lemmy.world
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    We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

    Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.

    I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.

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      we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years

      This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.

      Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y’all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.

      And that’s even assuming that we would do it. You’re basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can’t even convince people to stop burning coal, and that’s for our own enormous benifit.

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        I get your point but it’s only marginal benefit for our limited immediate perspective. Even if we stop actively destroying our planet, we are still at risk of catching a stray asteroid and that would be it for our whole civilization and most of life. We really need to learn better self-preservation at an interstellar scale.

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        Yea, we’re talking about sending people out on trips that could last for hundreds/thousands of years, with no way to provide support or backup if anything goes wrong along the way, to go to other planets that may not even be habitable when they get there. We don’t know if there’s any other sort of faster-than-light travel even possible, so there very well may not be any space travel shortcuts. Chances are “the great filter” is just the astronomical distances between everything and so all life eventually figures out it’s better to just stay home. If anything, maybe the best we can hope for is to convert all the mass in our solar system into a Dyson sphere and just wait out our Sun for a few billion years, that may be more realistic than travel to another star system (maybe slightly less impossible).

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      I like the theory that we’re a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who’s to say it doesn’t “usually” take a couple billion years.

      On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.

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        It’s even more than that.

        Imagine a dinosaur species was sapient, what do they use to fuel their industrial revolution? There might have a few scatterings of oil reserves but most of the fossil fuels we have were created at the end of their era. They’d have to jump from water power to nuclear.

        We are in an incredible accident of timing and opportunity, and we’re wasting the convergence of eons on a few centuries.

        • @Atrabiliousaurus@reddthat.com
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          Good point! I’m just gonna riff on some of this for a bit cause it’s fascinating. A sapient lifeform arising is not enough to guarantee a technologically advanced civilization. It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species. And the type of stone tools made by early humans didn’t change for a million years. We take it for granted that technology inexorably progresses but does it even? A million years of basically the same technology. And then like you said, how many of our advances were dependent on external factors like the formation of oil, or domesticatable food animals, farmable plants, WOOD ffs, and on and on really.

          And our species went through a population bottleneck at some point, homo sapiens have a strikingly low genetic diversity compared to many other animal species, some theories suggest there were only 2000 of us as recently as 75,000 years ago. We almost went extinct, and all the other homo species did go extinct, before even making it out of the stone age.

          Also, jumping back to the formation of the Earth, a lot of assumptions about alien life developing rests on how many other “Earths” there must be but there is something possibly unusual about our planet. Our moon. Not just that we have a moon but that it was likely formed by a collision with a Mars sized proto-planet called Theia. We ended up with a moon larger than a planet our size should have. The collision also caused the Earth to tilt on its axis. So at a minimum without that collision we wouldn’t have tides or seasons which seem like pretty important factors in spurring adaptations in life on Earth. Just having the extra mass helps Earth hold onto its atmosphere. Other effects of the Theia collision may include more water on Earth, more iron and other heavy elements, and more active plate tectonics/volcanism.

          It’s late and I’m not sure that last part makes sense after a couple rewrites but yeah, incredible accident and convergence of eons and whatnot for sure. Cheers.

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            It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species.

            Just thinking about this point for a second is really mind-blowing especially when you think about it with the added context that up until about 200-300 years ago, human technology levels were probably closer to the stone-tool wielders than it is to modern humans in an EV listening to music through a smartphone and navigating by a global satellite system.

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              Ooh that’d be a close call. Maybe though. I could see an argument at least. But at the same time… the 3 mya stone tool users were arguably closer to chimpanzees than modern humans, closest common ancestor being 6-8 mya. They probably couldn’t make fire, didn’t have language or clothes or make structures to live in. Even late stone age peoples were so much more advanced than that.

              The agricultural revolution starting about 10,000 years ago would maybe be where I’d put the dividing point. Or bronze age 3,000 years ago?

              But that might be underselling how much progress we’ve made since the start of the industrial revolution. I don’t know, interesting to consider though.

          • @grozzle@lemmy.world
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            About the rare huge-moon part - there’s been a recent discovery of a pair of young, still-forming exoplanets sharing the same orbit in a young star system - “PDS 70”; one protoplanet is in the L4 or L5 “Trojan” LaGrange point of the bigger one. Physicists reckon Theia may well have formed in one of Earth’s Trojan points, before being perturbed out onto a collision course by a third planet (thanks Jupiter)

            So. While the planetary-collision-forming-a-huge-moon idea sure sounds wild, it might not be incredibly rare. Maybe.

            We’re still at the very early stage of knowing what is normal for solar systems.

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              Neat! Plug that into the Drake equation. Problem is everything in there is pretty much guesswork and estimates of the number of intelligent lifeforms capable of interstellar communication in our galaxy vary between 1 and like, 100 million.

              I think that if it happened once it’s bound to have happened many times but then where’s the party at? Hopefully we are just early, maybe we can still be the host at least.

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      How is that a conspiracy theory? Surely that’s philosophy/science extrapolation.

      Whenever this comes up I remember the story of someone going to the Amazon and asking a tribe how to communicate long distances. Like future sci fi technology. They used drums to communicate so all they could come up with was really big drums that can go further than their current ones.

      If they were looking for intelligent life they couldn’t even imagine radio waves nevermind understand it or search for it.

    • @NABDad@lemmy.world
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      We feel alone, but that’s because all other intelligent life is staying away.

      Nobody wants to meet meat.

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      There is no filter, other forms of life are already here. UAPs are real and confirmed by the US government and military personnel.

      People just can’t accept it. We aren’t special and we never were.

    • @mysoulishome@lemmy.world
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      It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof

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        The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.

        Moving target and you don’t make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?

        If it’s the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage

        • @nyar@lemmy.world
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          Please keep in mind:

          The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.

          • Alto
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            Trust me I’m well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of “they’re incompetent fools” and “their power is limitless and they’re all knowing”.

            Doesn’t change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that’s standing still than one moving in a car

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        I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.

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      Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary’s monkey and Mary’s mosaic.

      Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.

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    There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.

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      it’s the heritage foundation, the plan is called project 2025 and it’s all out in the open at this point

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        I thought it was 2035?

        Or am I mixing up the dates because it’s speculated that without a very blatant push to consolidate power at any cost, the GOP will almost certainly never win a national election and even become a longshot to get control of either House of Congress with their current ideology after 2035?

        Idk. I for one would be pretty cool with another paradigm shift and the GOP flys way to the left and the already center right DNC takes up the mantle of being the conservative party again. Power is power after all right? If they really wanna be the kingmakers, this would be my fever dream.

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    We’re really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.

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      I agree with the first point. Using our human bodies as an example when we get infected. It gets really warm. It’s usually a technique used to kill bacteria among other defenses.

      I don’t personally believe it’s some kind of “I got my peace for a brief moment and want more” thing. I just believe that we ramped up production after the COVID “recovery” period and we went back to business as usual at a rapid rate.

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      Absolutely true, although imo not necessarily as a conscious choice. It’s simply earth’s feedback systems. We cram all kinds of animals together and accidentally breed highly contagious viruses, which come back to bite us in the ass. We destroy biodiversity and now people in certain parts of the world have to manually pollinate crops, because the insects all died. Etc.

      If all goes well, earth will find a balance again that still favours life (possibly not human life). If not, earth might end up like Venus. Not a big deal for earth, but a bit of shame of all this life we currently see here.

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      I get where you’re coming from, but rather than the “earth trying to kill us”, we are causing the earth to kill us through our own selfishness, willful ignorance and greed.

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      So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.

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        My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn’t believe. Like if it somehow turned out he’d been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he’d tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.

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      Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?

    • @chicken@lemmy.world
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      i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true

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    I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it’s aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.

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      It’s always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.

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        100% it’s bogus. They aren’t using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.

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      Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn’t even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.

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    Epstein didn’t kill himself.

    9/11 wasn’t an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.

    I’ve heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.

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      Epstein not killing himself is not a conspiracy theory unless you are elite pedobear who did it lol

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      Half the conspiracies about 9/11 are from people not having the basic understanding that they collapsed the building after the fact as a desperately needed safety precaution.

      Like no shit they used demolitions tools capable of taking down steel. You can’t leave it to fall on its own whenever that happens to be.

      • @Redditgee@lemmy.world
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        311 months ago

        Are you talking about 7? Don’t remember if that was the building number, but the one that wasn’t hit? I assume you don’t mean the twin towers.

        • conciselyverbose
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          All the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” nonsense like the fact that demolitions grade high-powered explosives being used is some conspiracy instead of the obviously necessary act to take when a skyscraper is damaged and no longer structurally sound.

      • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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        111 months ago

        I know this is kinda vain, but wouldn’t it be unconstitutional for the government to orchestrate things that killed its own people? It wouldn’t be the only time because I know the pentagon(?) was considering staging domestic terror attacks on US cities to justify invading Cuba (I can link the Johnny Harris video)

        • @lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world
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          111 months ago

          Just because it’s unconstitutional doesn’t stop the government from doing whatever it wants to its citizens if someone thinks they can justify/get away with it. Government entities have a long history of doing what they want regardless of what the Constitution says. Sherman’s March to the Sea, the interment of Japanese Americans, nuclear weapons testing in the Pacific Ocean, the Tuskegee Experiment, the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, etc… The Constitution is just pieces of paper. Its power comes from those willing - and able - to enforce it.

      • @SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world
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        011 months ago

        Especially not on lower Manhattan. I could maybe see a reason to let them fall down on their own, if they had been in the middle of a gigantic empty field, but never inside a city, fall the wrong way there and they can bring a couple of blocks down with them.

      • @Gork@lemm.ee
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        211 months ago

        Interesting theory. In order for this to work he’d need to mastermind the operation to fake his death. He would have to, at a minimum:

        Obtain a suitable body and some kind of face mask based on his likeness.

        Convince the two guards to malfunction the camera, move the newly acquired body into the cell and stage a suicide, then fall asleep.

        Find a way to escape the prison, obtaining a suitable disguise to aid in the escape.

        Grease the palms of the medical examiner to look the other way when the body is examined post-mortem. May also need to bribe other officials as well.

        Obtain means to escape the country (probably the easiest part of this entire operation).

        If he can’t go back to his Island, purchase another one. Perhaps get cosmetic surgery so he doesn’t obviously look like Epstein.

        Keep a low profile for essentially the rest of his life.

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          11 months ago

          Yeah. He has his blackmail and beneficieries so there’s a ton of powerful people to make that happen

          Also there was the “wrong ears on the corpse!” situation.

          I like theories which are plausible yet also stupid.