db0 and Unruffled have both been banned for reactionary behavior and, in the case of the former, DM harassment.
Due to these irreconcilable differences we thought it only right to allow the community to weigh in on defederating immediately.
According to this person “tankie” is anyone that criticizes the privilege of white westerners in the imperial core who have been privileged and comfortable their entire lives off of the backs of colonized people.
Further context can be found in this thread
https://hexbear.net/post/2484423
As always, use 
to vote for federation and 
to vote for defederation.
Have seen users from db0 genuinely learn about communism and radicalise because of their exposure to this space. Every single defederation reduces the number of people that get radicalised by our existence.
Flatworm is a dumbass though. Obligatory: https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickBigHorseCharlieBitMe-e2zKKUMBO_pVNOhd
Also recently came across Vijay Prashad talking about the word a while back: https://youtu.be/tsqE9kEsDVY
This is amusing because these people all love Chomsky and Prashad+Chomsky both work together, Prashad is unironically one of the people they would call tankie and the two have an extremely close relationship, literally writing books together. Prashad’s institute (tricontinental) published this on China’s Socialism 3.0
Just a few things to think about in case any of you db0 anti-tankie folks are lurking.
excellent comment. Anti-tankie leftists would be wise to listen to what is being said by scholars of socialism and history from outside the western liberal/libleft bubble, because many of the things they get angry at us for are simply non-controversial to almost anyone in the world who isn’t in that bubble. Even if they don’t agree with us on everything, everyone who fights for a better world should be broadly on the same side. (and that isn’t the side of Israel, NATO, etc.)
People protesting the US refusing to gtfo of Burkina Faso were waving Russian and North Korean flags. Anti-tankie leftists are just imperial core crackers with a huge white savior complex who think people of color should grovel on their knees for being saved by people of NATO.
Thanks for sharing these links. I’m another off-instance lurker who has learned a lot by browsing Hexbear posts. The comments here reinforce that y’all are being strategic with your federation choices, which is cool to see.
I would be less strategic and more open but I am very thick skinned and willing to scrap endlessly with neoliberals if it radicalises just a few people. Unfortunately not everyone here has the same constitution.
I am quite glad that we do in fact reach some people. If you have any questions about communism, capitalism or anything at all my door is always open to people genuinely looking to learn.
Good post
i started out on a reactionary instance and got radicalized by you guys. you should keep it up.
I’m never averse to engaging with reactionaries. I have often found that younger people from republican families are easier to radicalise than younger people from democrat families, these young people are already anti-liberal and anti-media, a small amount of education connects the dots on how society actually functions for them that the conservative sphere isn’t providing and suddenly they radicalise HARD.
Yeh the older reactionaries are more or less lost causes though.
What I would really like to create is a methodology for opening a Chomsky to fully Marxist pipeline. There’s an absolutely huge number of soft-left Chomsky fans who are anti-tankie and breaking that down by focusing on the people Chomsky currently works with all being tankies and supporting China seems to have potential breaking that down. I think Chomsky himself agrees with those around him but feels pressure to not say it, but then again he hasn’t really been shy about calling ukraine run by nazis and the media liars about the size of the nazi problem there… So maybe it’s not about pressure. Hard to say.
- I always feel that we should leave the door open just in case some of their users are based, or can be convinced, just like I was convinced.
I was a Reddit lurker escaping to Lemmy and was already anticapitalist but just had a bunch of brainworms left. I didn’t trust the “red fash tankies” based on all the
stuff that’s everywhere. But scrolling around lemmygrad and hexbear for a while had me scratching my head and wondering what all the fuss is about. Clearly you guys are NOT some kind of weird crypto fash thing but are actually very educated with sound analysis of history and politics. So if there are more people like me who are curious, then we should leave the door open.Of course, if it becomes untenable (like how shitjustworks went full nazi bar) then we shouldn’t bother exposing our comrades to bigoted harrassment. Yes, it seems like the admin(s) are libs, but a piracy-based instance is always gonna have some anticapitalist lean, so it’s less likely for dbzer0 to go full nazi bar.
This is where I’m at on paper the piracy sub should not be having the issue of bootlickg for capitalism you’d think that would be an untenable position for the mods of the instance to have. Hopefully some users have a moment of clarity seeing their mods talking shit about “those dirty communists” on an instance about how piracy is necessary to circumvent the effects of capitalism
I did, personally. The only reason I don’t have a hexbear account is because I wanted access to a few defederated communities. Prior to that I had a blahaj.zone (am trans) account, but they disabled downvoting everywhere. Seeing that others didn’t defederate from db0 is why I chose them. And because of the obvious correlation between piracy and anti-capitalism, which sadly hasn’t held up.
At this point, I don’t know where I am supposed to make my account to avoid these issues. Hexbear produces some of the best content, but so do major defederated instances. Granted, I was disgusted a few times with what people say outside of communities like this one, such as the museum in Australia banning men from an exhibit. Damn near any feminist should be intrigued and hear out their reasoning, and then supportive of the point of the art being the exclusion of men due to historic and still pervasive exclusion of women. But instead, it was MRAs dominating the discussion with “but if the genders were reversed!” garbage and “this is gender discrimination or the highest degree!” myopic garbage.
Lemmy needs a way to transfer accounts, yesterday. This is already my third account, after lemmy.world and blahaj.zone.
I know the main suggestion on HexBear will be to make an account here. But are there any alternatives with good admins and minimal defederation?
I think lemmygrad is the best overlap of “not liberals” and trying to play nice with other people
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Can you just call it when federation hits 69?
ah fuck i just realized i cast my ballot wrong lmao
smdh liberal democracy has failed us
I vote to remain federeated.
>named unruffled
>is clearly ruffledthere are some good users there that occasionally post here but if db0 has revealed themselves to be a full-on reactionary things from that instance will only get worse
Ruffled and scratched.
:gulag
Banning the admins but not the instance is just too good of a bit.
I’ve been quite outspoken about how I think Unruffled and db0 are total clowns, but aside from the mods, I don’t have much of a problem with the instance itself. One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker lmao, so they’re alright in my book.
One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker
Damn I might change my vote to fed now lmao
That sticks it for me even more. Clearly we’re hurting their administration more by staying around
- Is anyone actually bothered by these guys? They do more to show people how liberal foreign policy is just imperialism than I do.
EDIT: changed my vote to stay, people here are right, banning the admins and then staying federated is a phenomenal bit.
lmao fuck em. Anyways, for anyone who wants context on the dm harassment stuff, here is our lovely convo.
The last post came in right before they were banned. I don’t know if any response would go through, and frankly I don’t care to continue the conversations.
Also, the operandi thing was very much to tilt them. Anyone who has seen me type here knows I physically cannot type “you”, it only comes out as “oyu”.
Further also, they edited their second comment:
The link is to here. No idea what doomtown is, but the card art is neat. The pfp still looks like linkara trying to trike a pose. Anyone who wishes to continue mocking that pfp, go here.
I’ve had runins with unruffled (critical levels of ruffled) before. I find them both distasteful. There are a handful of db0 users I like. They are welcome to migrate here, or to any of the instances still federated with us. The rest of them,
Also unruffled defended a zionist and said “from the river to the sea” is antisemitic
If you want to talk politics, you’re gonna have to accept the fact that people will have different opions. This isn’t hexbear where everyone with a different view is instabanned. I get that emotions are running high over the situation in Gaza, but try to respond in good faith instead of leaping to the most uncharitable interpretation possible
It seems to me that you are the only person badjacketing in this post. If you think it’s a good policy to ban fellow anarchists for having a nuanced view on the Gaza situation, then you might want to check out hexbear - intolerant authoritarianism is their whole vibe.
Anarchism is when you have a nuanced view on genocide. Not having a nuanced view on genocide is authoritian and bad.
I get that emotions are running high over the situation in Gaza
No words
Politics is about being unemotional and never becoming too invested in any given subject, and the more detached and ineffective your engagement in politics is, the more correct you are.
I keep forgetting which book it’s in but clearly anarchism is all about enlightened centrism.
Well that’s pretty much immediatly damning.
Unrelated note but the UI is so challenging on the eyes. Why would they have a floating design with a eye-watering background image?
We are going to be saving Dbzero members who move to ml or hexbear from this awful UI.
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red fash
But also how dare you interpret me uncharitably, don’t you red fash authoritarian commie fucks understand that respect is a two way street and you OWE me a baseline of charitable interpretation?
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Clearly spamming the mods and calling them scum-fucks will create a situation where you will be unbanned and all of Hexbear will come to your defense!
This is some genuinely unhinged stuff.
Since I’m tankie-adjacent (meaningless term, more lore in the original post) and had to do with the affair I’ll just voice my opinion: I’ve seen many good people coming from that instance, both on hexbear and outside hexbear, some of them even comrades. Punishing them for the actions of their mod team seems a bit too much to me. The offenders have (rightfully) been banned from this instance, and on the rare occasion a wandering lib will post on here we can all PPB them, I’ll join too.
Also, semi-related but I love how just by shitposting on a piracy community I caused an inter-instance diplomatic crisis and had 2 (PoS) admins banned, lol wasn’t my intention but I’m glad they showed their true self, so to say.
Edit: also remaining federated while having the admins banned is such a power move lol, “hate da gubmyent not da paypoohl” but for real this time
Also, semi-related but I love how just by shitposting on a piracy community I caused an inter-instance diplomatic crisis and had 2 (PoS) admins banned, lol wasn’t my intention but I’m glad they showed their true self, so to say.
You are. Rolemodel and inspiration to us all.
But I mean, the real MVP was the comrade who posted abt it on the dunk tank, it’s only thanks to that post if the 2 admins showed up and emabarsssd themselves, giving us first the massive argument chains and then the DM spam, and after that they got what they deserved. A real shitsow, but in the funny sense.
While I voted with the defederation crowd, I’d absolutely approve of your “power move” compromise.
Can’t they just make a hexbear account if they want to post? We aren’t really punishing anyone
I interact with I don’t even know how many instances, I couldn’t be bothered to make an account for every one of them honestly. If one of them would defederate from mine, I would just stop interacting. I guess it’s the same for the well-meaning users on there too, it’s way easier to have a single account to interact with (almost) any instance. And people are generally lazy, too.
Federation is one of the biggest advantages of lemmy and ActivityPub software IMO. Instances shouldn’t defederate on a whim (considering the admins, who were the libs in this case, have been banned)
BTW my main point was that the vast majority of people interacting from db0 are well-meaning and not brainwormed libs (funnily enough the worst offenders were the admins) I don’t think we should discourage them from participating on hexbear just because their admins are assholes.
if they don’t like the content enough to make a new account are they really losing much? Seems like they would see our stuff as pretty much just the upper tier of normal at best then
it’s really funny to be federated with an instance that we’ve banned the admins of and I want to maintain the bit for as long as possible because they’re the only abject toxic actors that there’s an actual conundrum dealing with on the site, and they’re dealt with, so unless they pull some bullshit with socks/targetted fuckery through some abuse of federation which would get them seen as a bad actor not just on hexbear, it’s not a problem. No matter what, the outcome is funny and/or pathetic.
also love that part of the tide shift on this is people realizing how funny the current situation is
Stay fed’ed. “Posting isn’t praxis” yada yada, yeah, but there are plenty of radlibs who call themselves anarchists that are ripe and even open to being properly radicalized. When hexbear gets cut off from other instances, it makes it all the less likely that well-meaning radlibs will have a chance to see good, genuine leftist takes, which does influence them (as many have outright said.) Dbzer0 serves as part of the pipeline from radlib to actual anarchism and/or communism. Defederating effectively caps the pipe at radlib and we shouldn’t do that unless absolutely necessary to protect BIPOC/trans/neurodivergent/etc. users here. And I think it’s safe to say dbzer0 as an instance is far from being a danger in that way.
This feels like a very sudden gutteral reaction to very recent events. We generally get on well with dbzero as an instance, even if the mods are lib-brained.
Pls dont I like it here
Fuck those enlightened centrist “anarchists”, let them whine about how authoritarian it is that they can’t comment here anymore after acting like assholes and having “nuanced views” on genocide.
Still, I think the instance has some good people that would be a shame to lose if they aren’t ready yet to make an account here. Being open to instances that resemble more closely the actual society we’re trying to change will always be a great way for people to get radicalised and take their first steps of learning about Marxism and socialism.
<3
I changed my mind, staying federated but banning the admins is hilarious.
