• @pimento64@sopuli.xyz
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      Off Lemmy I’ve already been assured by several dickhead accelerationists that this is actually bad, because it’s against the rules to successfully progress a liberal democracy when the One Right Way to effect change is revolution only. They’d rather people suffer more if it meant an end to capitalism, revolting “ends justify the means” mentality.

      • Chetzemoka
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        288 months ago

        Those people have such a lust for violence and don’t care that the poor people they claim to be fighting for will be the ones who suffer most

        • @msage@programming.dev
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          But when I think about it, those poor people are absolutely fucked right now. By achieving small victories like these they get nothing. We have luxurious lifestyles, while the poorest don’t even eat.

          Fuck capitalism. House and feed everyone first, then play pretend with numbers.

          • Chetzemoka
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            Fuck capitalism, I agree. But I don’t see where a county with any other economic system was ever chomping at the bit to sacrifice to feed the poorest in the world either.

            Be angry, but realistic. Don’t fetishize revolutions. Revolutions generally kill quite a lot of people, the vast majority of whom are not members of the ruling class

        • BraveSirZaphod
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          They’re certainly not bulletproof. It’s obviously been a hot sec at this point, but Proposition 8 in California of all places codified marriage as exclusively being between a man and a woman when it was legalized by the California Supreme Court.

          Continuing in California, Proposition 13, which froze property taxes so long as ownership is maintained but allows that frozen rate to be transferred to family, has essentially created a situation where the state is subsidizing homeowners that are already substantially wealthier than the average person while also legally enshrining a class of people who pay much less tax by virtue of inheritable status. The perverse economic effects are rather obvious.

          Referendums can be great, but voters are also generally going to be inherently selfish. Local control of zoning and housing policy, just to shit on California one more time, has resulted in a massive housing crisis. There are situations where it’s really important for lawmakers to choose the path that inconveniences everyone a little bit but solves a problem over the path where no individual is directly inconvenienced while the root problem only gets much worse. In Game Theory terms, referendums are very bad at handling prisoner’s dilemma style situations, since voters will generally pursue their own immediate interests.

    • @root_beer@midwest.social
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      158 months ago

      The weed issue also passed but the legislature may just ignore the will of the people. I don’t think they can do anything about this though.

      • FuglyDuck
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        48 months ago

        nope, as soon as it ‘officially’ passes (how many recounts you think? would you place wagers on an over-under of five?) it’s part of the Ohio constitution. they’d have to run a second ammendment through to vacate it. and that won’t happen.