https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/577171

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/577171

“Wokeness” is a campaign by the global classical liberal pette bourgeois, mainly orchestrated by Russia, and American and British classical liberals. The social reaction appears to be in response to multiculturalism with a particularly outright rejection of LGBT (lgb T <- !! ) culture instilled by neoliberalism. It’s an extension of their economic interests, however they confuse this popularization of the LGBT by neoliberal big bourgeoisie with LGBT itself. Unsurprisingly they do not study history. Why this is particularly dangerous is the relative success neoliberalism has had via LGBT virtue signalling, making the LGBT a comfortable scapegoat for the classical liberal pette bourgeois (the pette bourgeois in general being the historic base for fascism)

If you click on the “>spoiler” I provided context and a link

I wonder if Brian learned anything from this colossal betrayal of trust

Context:

→ “International con-man Brian Becker, another leader in the American anti-war movement, was a part of Muhammad Ali’s visit. His account emphasizes how much the visit was “a threat” to the US government and proved how “negotiations were clearly available as a means to prevent war.” Just because parts of the US government ‘denounced the trip’ does not prove anything at all.

This point is evidenced by a 1995 US Navy paper titled Persian Gulf Hostages: A Case Study in Terrorism, Diplomacy, and Strategy which details the United States hostage policy at the time. It had to maintain the facade of non-negotiation to “be tough on terrorists” while engaging in under the table diplomacy to release said hostages. The paper also details that while the US and UK publicly maintained rhetoric that they would bomb Iraq despite the presence of hostages, this was an empty threat. In essence, the United States needed the hostages released while also saving face. The reality is that these anti-war activists did the work of the US government by taking hard power away from the Iraqi government. This is regardless of whether they were acting on behalf of the US government (although, evidence indicates they likely were). Joseph Wilson notes in the same interview that:

“We were successful in getting one or two hostages out every time, and we would try to load up hostages onto every American who came out. It didn’t make any difference to us. The more, the merrier. If we could get 10 out with [boxer] Muhammad Ali, if they promised us 10 we’d go for 12.”

In December, Saddam Hussein let the remaining British and Americans leave Kuwait. We Are The Mighty magazine (affiliated with the US military) praises Muhammad Ali for “freeing the hostages” and notes that he received the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his actions.

Muhammad Ali (center) and the remaining 15 American hostages leaving Iraq on December 2nd, 1990.

Saddam Hussein gave up the hostages, his insurance against American invasion, based on lies. In January 1991, only six weeks after releasing the American hostages, under the guise of the United Nations Security Council an American-led coalition would begin a horrific bombing campaign and invasion of Iraq.”

We do as we’ve always done, and because it is our interests we represent, not the bourgeois’.

Get some sleep comrade, we all get this way some times

Study and play to your strengths. If you’re someone people lean on for help, help them understand the real causes of their misery. If you’re someone who is good at math, perhaps create propaganda which demonstrates the math of capitalism and socialism. If you’re someone who is popular perhaps educate your peers. Etc…

You are young and likely still requiring essential education and to develop experience. The job of the youth is always learn and socialize no matter what form society takes. Simply apply Marxism to this paradigm 👍

~walks in, reads information on scenario, turns around, walks out~

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Reddit’s backup wants to be an echochamber which controls all content…you don’t say

Great job! This is very productive work.

The above demonstrates yet another western leftist who is yet to develop adequate social skills and is just fuel on the fire of my criticisms for them lately…I have not been listening to their podcast consistently and so I cannot say when their content became disheartening, however the latest episode left much to be desired to say the least. It troubled me listening to it.

This is very similar to the Black Agenda Report situation from a month or so back; I am weary to write-off a notable leftist due to a recent hickup in content. And this is not the wrong decision imo, everyone makes mistakes and stumbles from time to time.

I have also not been following their content much recently and so this could very well be the latest example of a long-since massive shift for the worst, I don’t know. One thing I do know is that the above is very much a hot take.

I’d suspect not

CPUSA is explicitly named. Any other org would indeed be covered under colour of law (this law specifically) however it would require a court case to resolve such an invocation of colour of law which is always a gamble.

Depending on how much constitution ours have in OK, challenging such a movement not explicitly named in the referenced law in a court of law could end very badly for the prosecution. However, considering if our efforts were so substantial in OK I would not have to question the constitution of it would I?

Aside from being a gamble, all one has to do is consult law-practicing comrades to create a play list of legal foot dragging to be utilized in each and every single case so as to cost the state as much time and effort as possible challenging every single group from the PSL to the ABCDEFG. Until neoliberalism falls, money is no object to the regime, however this would create publicity for all of the left movements involved, which gives birth to more continuity, as well it would take up space in the legal process which could be used to fuck over our class.

“I sincerely hope you do not think Putin should get a free pass and support for opposing the US.”

Not at all. He is useful for our interests solely in this scenario and in general he is another enemy of our class.

“Good point, I should have made the distinction. I still feel it does not change the sentiment much as Putin very much represents his group and class. I tried to make the point that he has transitioned from a labor aristocrat to an oligarch through his rise to power. I do not think it is delusional to think that money and power are two sides of the same coin in Russia as well as any other capitalist society.”

It isn’t about close enough or kind of like, it’s a matter of scientific classification. It matters because it changes how we understand his actions and his role in all of this.

“it suffices to say that Putin is part of an economic class above most others.”

Agreed, he’s certainly not a toiling prol. His interests are tied to capital.

“usually resorting to idealism though I admit that might be because it is easier for me to swallow.”

This is natural as we were all first taught idealism as it is the ideological MO of capitalism. I will say it takes education to be able to say and understand the phrase dialectical materialism alone without taking into account the teachings of this philosophy.

“However, I do think we need to be clear that enemy of my enemy being a friend does not mean two wrongs always makes a right. Sometimes it does, but as I have written many places I do not think the war benefits the proletariat in any tangible way.”

I agree. I would say where idealism and pragmatism depart ways in today’s conditions is at the point of hyper morality which sacrifices continuity. When one must be in the right to such a degree that it prevents the person from acting to uphold the values they hold dear and consequently watch them fall as a result of this. For example a father who is so determined to be civil that he watches a person kill his child in front of him after failing to persuade the person to not do this with words alone. A particularly dangerous aspect of this is the predictable changes which occur within one when this occurs - the indulgence in the dialectic of his previous position, casting aside all previous values with oversensitivities with them. Later he will see the failures of this method and equilibrium will be found, the dialectic process of development (the clashing of opposites based on their contradictions to forge a new future determined by the “most fit” characteristics of each) will forge a new man but only after such heartache.

We all know stories like this. Many of us have had major developments like this in our own lives.

Admittedly it did not seem that way, but reading their replies I’m inclined to agree. One looking to learn is open and objective. One looking to spread propaganda and institute narrative change does so. This behavior unfortunately will be seen again due to this Reddit fiasco.

Friend, how do you think nazis are opposed if not in war? I realize in the US one can simply cross the street when fascists demonstrate in Florida, snap a pic and make a snarky comment on Insta and be done with it, but in Ukraine workers have been beaten to death and burned alive simply for being Russian. They do not have the luxury of saying no to a fight to the death, their choices are fight back or die.

You contradict yourself; You say Putin is the richest man in the world and paint him as a capable warlord, yet you say Russia has been in decline since 91’. Understanding a capitalist’s might comes from his capitalist empire, this makes no sense. It’s fascist propaganda/US doublespeak.

Believing socialism was created through peace but not war is a troubling sign you have not read much theory or history of socialist revolutions. The reality is, socialism was created through war in the pursuit of peace.

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1. An oligarch did not start this war, a group of them did. Bourgeois are a class, not kings who act alone.

2. Putin is not an oligarch, he is a labor aristocrat as all politicians are.

3. Putin is far from the richest man in the world. As far as free capital (PPP) goes, I believe it has been continuously fluctuating between Musk and Bezos. As far as value of total assets goes, this by far goes to the US bourgeoisie as they effectively own and control the entire west and command servitude from much of the developing nations, defacto owning those as well. (basically not literally)

4. Typically warlords participate in battles, no? If this is the case, then I do not believe Putin is to be classified as a warlord.

5. Putin has invaded many nations around him, yes, but not due to megalomania, this is an anarchist/radlib belief which is injected to fill the void left by lack of understanding. NATO has couped the governments of the pette bourgeois nations surrounding Russia in attempts to make them as how we see Ukraine today in an attempt to invade, defeat, and ultimately seize the assets of Russia to fulfill the necessity of profit, to counteract the falling rate of profit, and to eliminate a major global competitor thus reinforcing and magnifying their own monopoly in preparation towards going on to attack China for the same reasons. Russia was defending it’s national security by invading, as they are doing so in Ukraine. As well, they are defending AES nations such as China and Cuba from US imperialism. They are like batman; not the hero we want, but the hero we need have.

6. Yes no war but class war, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Pragmatically speaking, anyone and I mean anyone fighting imperial capital which currently holds a practical worldwide monopoly is essential to creating open spaces for revolutions to flourish. As well, we must reject trotskyism which asserts that a world revolution lead by the west seeking it’s own unimpeded interests is the way towards communism.

7. Thank you for voicing your opinion maturely and respectfully, it helps legitimate conversion on matters to be had.