So I think I was pretty tired when I wrote that. But in case I wasn’t clear, I meant that I don’t like the thought of countries, such as North Korea, who are only relatively stable, in possession of nuclear arms.
I really was not talking about the United States. We have our own issues, but I don’t think we’re about to start any nuclear wars on a whim. Yes our politics are pretty screwed up at the moment, but I don’t see it as likely that any yahoos, like that bodily fluids air force guy in Dr. Strangelove, can just start a nuclear exchange.
No, I don’t think the US is going to give up it’s nukes anytime soon, there’s lots of politics in play, and half the point of NATO is that it’s under the protection of the US nuclear umbrella.
By dictatorship I mean a government with extreme accumulation of government, and usually military, power in less than a handful of individuals with ineffective or even lack of democratic elections.
Edit: so what’s up with all the N. Korean defenders here???
By dictatorship I mean a government with extreme accumulation of government, and usually military, power in less than a handful of individuals with ineffective or even lack of democratic elections.
In order to be able to tell if a government is a dictatorship or a democracy, one has to know how said government works first. Make sense, right?
So, in order to make sure you’re not talking out of your ass here, I have to ask you the question:
What do you know about the inner workings of the government of the DPRK? What are the component parts of the government, their function and how are their members choosen? How many and what parties are there and how do they take part in politics? What position does Kim Jong Un occupy? Do you know any other polititians beside him? Is there any elections?
If you can’t answer any of these questions, on what basis exactly are you claming that the DPRK is a dictatorship?
Strange that this ostensibly weak and unstable nation has such a strong intelligence agency so as to be able to pay us to defend them online.
FWIW I’m a broke statesian. Here’s the thing as well, you parrot propaganda and then disengage when it is examined critically and thoroughly, something many of us have devoted literal days of our lives doing.
I am more aware of the inner workings of the DPRK state than any bourgeois “journalist”. Many of us are. If you’d like to learn with us, I’d suggest not implicitly accusing us of being bots or paid actors.
A paragraph or two… I mean, I can give you a couple of examples I suppose.
Kim Il-sung is called the “Eternal President” not because of some esoteric, Oriental mysticism that posits that he is still president of the DPRK, but because he was the first and last president of the DPRK. He is the eternal president quite literally, and it’s fucking weird how much western media obsesses over this as if northern Koreans believed his spirit still ruled over them or something.
The DPRK never “abandoned” Marxism-Leninism or socialism in favor of “Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism” or Juche. The WPK are scientific socialists, and honest science necessitates changes in understanding and practice. Juche is not an economic system, Juche is a sociopolitical ideal intended to rectify the contradictions between the self and the other, between the individual and the community, between the proletarian, the professional and the intellectual. Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism could be read more closely as Socialism with Korean Characteristics, if one would want to. It is not deviation or abandonment.
“Supreme Leader” is a term often weaponized to evoke that same sense of Oriental mysticism and brainwashing.
The DPRK’s parliament is called the Supreme People’s Assembly. The WPK leads the SPA. What do you think the chairman of the WPK (a position which Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Kim Jong-un were all elected to) would be called?
I am unsure what else to say. DPRK is great on disability rights. A majority of the country has a mobile phone. There are video games in hospitals. People eat groceries. Kids go to school. The beaches look wonderful. Pyongyang has a fantastic public tram service.
Any time a news outlet claims DPRKorea said something negative about other “races” (notably in that shitpile “The Cleanest Race”) they are deliberately mistranslating the word “nation” or “nationality” in order to construct the narrative they desire. Any specific questions?
Wow, I didn’t expected a “they payed you to say that” kind of argument so soon (unless that’s somehow not what you’re implying here). You already out of talking points to throw at us 4 measly comments in the conversation?
I’m actually from france, but just for the sake of argument, let’s pretend you are right: I am a fealthy fed payed by the big bad dictatorship to spread propaganda, you’ve unmasked me, you most intelligent random internaut had piersed the secret, your gazed, sharpened by nights and days of scrowling through thousands of internet shitposts, has seen through my digital mask, what a trully amazing intellect, what a brilliant insight, congratulation, sherlok holmes called, he want you on his team.
So what? Is that all you can oppose to my pro autoritarian propaganda? Do you not want to warn others of my terrible and dangerous actions? As a fervent defender of democracy, should you not make sure to dismentle my argument so that poor souls stumbling on this post and on the verge of getting brainwashed by my evil propaganda could see my devious ploy for what it is and not fall to my evil conspiracy? Surely, as a citizen of the free and democratic world, the last, proudly standing bastillon of liberty on this earth consumed by autoritarianism you can’t let that happen! You can’t stand still, just letting such a weak responce and risk to make your side, the side of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, look less resonable than the evil totalitarians, the side that defend a dictator that eat all the food his country produce all by himself and surely eat babys as well! Can you?
So what are you doing? Where is your responce to my argument? What aren’t you using that mesmerizing intelect of yours, that sharp and precise analysis and that flawless deducting skills that you have, that had seen through my digital mask, seen the sham for what it is, to counter me? Where is the ruthless and effective dismenteling of my argument? Where is the methodic dissecting point by point? Where is the witty yet proffound comeback? Surely, since I’m nothing but a dirty propaganda shill lying through his teeth it can’t be hard for you, Ô enlightened westerner, to show with sources and logic that I’m a dirty liar, can it?
Surely, you are able to anwer my questions right? Of course you are! You are so incredibly intelligent, you have shown us such a deep insight, such a profound reflection, your previous responce is such an intricate condensate of witt and unchallengable pure logic it has me trembling at the mear thought of what you could respond to this one. I can’t wait to read your carfull and toughtfull dismenteling of the so called north corean “democracy” exposing the evil dictatorship for what it is!
Honestly I don’t really have skin in the game aside from being a human on this earth. I’m not going to respond to your whole thing because it is not worth it. I’m not trying to pick a fight with you.
So I think I was pretty tired when I wrote that. But in case I wasn’t clear, I meant that I don’t like the thought of countries, such as North Korea, who are only relatively stable, in possession of nuclear arms.
I really was not talking about the United States. We have our own issues, but I don’t think we’re about to start any nuclear wars on a whim. Yes our politics are pretty screwed up at the moment, but I don’t see it as likely that any yahoos, like that bodily fluids air force guy in Dr. Strangelove, can just start a nuclear exchange.
No, I don’t think the US is going to give up it’s nukes anytime soon, there’s lots of politics in play, and half the point of NATO is that it’s under the protection of the US nuclear umbrella.
By dictatorship I mean a government with extreme accumulation of government, and usually military, power in less than a handful of individuals with ineffective or even lack of democratic elections.
Edit: so what’s up with all the N. Korean defenders here???
In order to be able to tell if a government is a dictatorship or a democracy, one has to know how said government works first. Make sense, right?
So, in order to make sure you’re not talking out of your ass here, I have to ask you the question: What do you know about the inner workings of the government of the DPRK? What are the component parts of the government, their function and how are their members choosen? How many and what parties are there and how do they take part in politics? What position does Kim Jong Un occupy? Do you know any other polititians beside him? Is there any elections?
If you can’t answer any of these questions, on what basis exactly are you claming that the DPRK is a dictatorship?
Are you posting from North Korea?
Strange that this ostensibly weak and unstable nation has such a strong intelligence agency so as to be able to pay us to defend them online.
FWIW I’m a broke statesian. Here’s the thing as well, you parrot propaganda and then disengage when it is examined critically and thoroughly, something many of us have devoted literal days of our lives doing.
I am more aware of the inner workings of the DPRK state than any bourgeois “journalist”. Many of us are. If you’d like to learn with us, I’d suggest not implicitly accusing us of being bots or paid actors.
Okay, give me a paragraph or two about why the dprk is misunderstood.
A paragraph or two… I mean, I can give you a couple of examples I suppose.
Kim Il-sung is called the “Eternal President” not because of some esoteric, Oriental mysticism that posits that he is still president of the DPRK, but because he was the first and last president of the DPRK. He is the eternal president quite literally, and it’s fucking weird how much western media obsesses over this as if northern Koreans believed his spirit still ruled over them or something.
The DPRK never “abandoned” Marxism-Leninism or socialism in favor of “Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism” or Juche. The WPK are scientific socialists, and honest science necessitates changes in understanding and practice. Juche is not an economic system, Juche is a sociopolitical ideal intended to rectify the contradictions between the self and the other, between the individual and the community, between the proletarian, the professional and the intellectual. Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism could be read more closely as Socialism with Korean Characteristics, if one would want to. It is not deviation or abandonment.
“Supreme Leader” is a term often weaponized to evoke that same sense of Oriental mysticism and brainwashing.
The DPRK’s parliament is called the Supreme People’s Assembly. The WPK leads the SPA. What do you think the chairman of the WPK (a position which Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Kim Jong-un were all elected to) would be called?
I am unsure what else to say. DPRK is great on disability rights. A majority of the country has a mobile phone. There are video games in hospitals. People eat groceries. Kids go to school. The beaches look wonderful. Pyongyang has a fantastic public tram service.
Any time a news outlet claims DPRKorea said something negative about other “races” (notably in that shitpile “The Cleanest Race”) they are deliberately mistranslating the word “nation” or “nationality” in order to construct the narrative they desire. Any specific questions?
Wow, I didn’t expected a “they payed you to say that” kind of argument so soon (unless that’s somehow not what you’re implying here). You already out of talking points to throw at us 4 measly comments in the conversation?
I’m actually from france, but just for the sake of argument, let’s pretend you are right: I am a fealthy fed payed by the big bad dictatorship to spread propaganda, you’ve unmasked me, you most intelligent random internaut had piersed the secret, your gazed, sharpened by nights and days of scrowling through thousands of internet shitposts, has seen through my digital mask, what a trully amazing intellect, what a brilliant insight, congratulation, sherlok holmes called, he want you on his team.
So what? Is that all you can oppose to my pro autoritarian propaganda? Do you not want to warn others of my terrible and dangerous actions? As a fervent defender of democracy, should you not make sure to dismentle my argument so that poor souls stumbling on this post and on the verge of getting brainwashed by my evil propaganda could see my devious ploy for what it is and not fall to my evil conspiracy? Surely, as a citizen of the free and democratic world, the last, proudly standing bastillon of liberty on this earth consumed by autoritarianism you can’t let that happen! You can’t stand still, just letting such a weak responce and risk to make your side, the side of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, look less resonable than the evil totalitarians, the side that defend a dictator that eat all the food his country produce all by himself and surely eat babys as well! Can you?
So what are you doing? Where is your responce to my argument? What aren’t you using that mesmerizing intelect of yours, that sharp and precise analysis and that flawless deducting skills that you have, that had seen through my digital mask, seen the sham for what it is, to counter me? Where is the ruthless and effective dismenteling of my argument? Where is the methodic dissecting point by point? Where is the witty yet proffound comeback? Surely, since I’m nothing but a dirty propaganda shill lying through his teeth it can’t be hard for you, Ô enlightened westerner, to show with sources and logic that I’m a dirty liar, can it?
Surely, you are able to anwer my questions right? Of course you are! You are so incredibly intelligent, you have shown us such a deep insight, such a profound reflection, your previous responce is such an intricate condensate of witt and unchallengable pure logic it has me trembling at the mear thought of what you could respond to this one. I can’t wait to read your carfull and toughtfull dismenteling of the so called north corean “democracy” exposing the evil dictatorship for what it is!
Honestly I don’t really have skin in the game aside from being a human on this earth. I’m not going to respond to your whole thing because it is not worth it. I’m not trying to pick a fight with you.