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Bad news, folks. The Tories have proven yet again that they’re complete and utter wankers.
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How can you say they are proven safe when, to start with, there is a lack of evidence on long term safety? Happy to be shown otherwise if the article posted is incorrect.
To quote Julia Serrano’s excellent writeup on GAC for adolescents:
The “experimental” label is most regularly levied against puberty blockers, probably because the average person isn’t familiar with them. However, they’ve been used to treat precocious puberty since the 1980s (Comite et al., 1981; Mancuso et al., 1989) and to stave off unwanted endogenous puberties in trans youth since the mid-to-late-1990s (Cohen-Kettenis & van Goozen, 1998; van der Loos et al., 2023). For anyone interested in learning more about them, I’d recommend Giordano & Holm’s 2020 accessibly written scientific review “Is puberty delaying treatment ‘experimental treatment’?” as it answers the most commonly asked questions about the method, its efficacy, potential side effects, and so on.
Giordano & Holm’s review also addresses another common claim levied against gender-affirming care, namely, that there aren’t any “high quality studies.” In actuality, there are many high-quality studies: sound methodologies, significant sample sizes, published in well-respected journals, etcetera. When trans-skeptical people argue this, what they really mean is that there aren’t any randomized controlled studies — where neither the doctor nor patient know whether they’ve received the medicine in question or whether they’ve received a placebo. While this certainly is the “gold standard” for medical trials, it is not logistically possible in cases such as this, as both doctors and patients would quickly surmise which group they were assigned to based upon the changes (or lack thereof) in their bodies. The review also delves into ethical issues regarding withholding this treatment that make controlled studies impossible.
The second paragraph delves into the claim that there are no quality studies on the effects of delayed puberty. We actually have a good number of high quality studies, what we don’t have are double blind, randomized controlled studies because of the practical and ethical difficulties of doing so. This, of course, gets twisted into labeling puberty blockers as having no evidence or for being “experimental”.
What is long term enough for you? A lifetime?
Nothing is ever enough for these types. You could have millions of cases spanning hundreds of years of medical practice and have the instructions for the procedure written in the Bible and it still wouldn’t be enough. This one person on Facebook saying their kid did it without their consent and got a tummy ache would still be enough to ban it forever for anyone for them.
“These types” mmmhm try to have any form of logical discussion and you get ad hominem attacks, great look
Didn’t respond to the article linked though, did you.
The government said it welcomed the “landmark decision”, adding it would help ensure care is based on evidence and is in the “best interests of the child”.
It’s truly insulting that they even dare suggest that this is in the best interests of trans kids, or that it’s based on any evidence. Puberty blockers save lives.
It follows a public consultation on the issue
Since when is public opinion relevant for the availability of healthcare? Can we have expert opinions, please?
The review followed a sharp rise in referrals to the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS)
“More people need this treatment than ever before! Better completely cut off access to it!” is such a malicious position to take. I actually don’t understand how these transphobic fucks can be so callous and insensitive.
TERF island still living up to its name.
The whole Anti-LGBT campaign blowing over from the US to Europe. In the Netherlands I see more and more of the same 😭
Why are people so quick to hate what they don’t understand? It’s infuriating and exhausting. I really hope they will move on from this after the US election, but I worry that it will only continue to get worse.
It’s because the extreme-right campaigns are fuelled by hate and discontent. And it helps them by chanelling it towards minority groups by blaming them for everything (obviously a majority won’t work because they would alienate too much of their own userbase). So the narrative is ‘the brown people’ cause all the problems, the LGBT community etc etc. Hate unites people more easily than love 😢
What worries me the most is that formerly normal sane ‘friends’ actually buy into this BS and have become rabiate trans-haters practically overnight. 😢
The trans minority specifically seems to be the ultimate scapegoat for them, since it’s such a tiny minority. I’m really not liking the “First they came for…” vibes. Actually terrifying.
I’m sorry about your ‘friends’ and hope you’re safe from them. Sending you love ❤️
It’s happening in so many places, at the same time as actual fascism is on the rise globally. Those “first they came for…” vibes are not an exaggeration.
Thank you ❤️ But I’m not trans myself (though I am kinda on the LGBT spectrum). I do have several trans friends and I don’t stand for that kind of derisive talk. All this hate has prompted me to join campaigns at work and help organise events because I want to do something against it.
The trans minority specifically seems to be the ultimate scapegoat for them, since it’s such a tiny minority.
Yes exactly. The smaller the minority and the more they stand out the better. Because there is less likelyhood that they offend their own supporters, or that those actually are friends with someone from the minority and know things are not as presented.
I always ask why they are so hung up on trans people, after all they harm no one, and what they do is their business alone. It always results in some contrived reason. The point my “ex-friends” kept bringing up was their children, somehow they are harmed irreparably if they see someone who used to be a man in women’s clothes. Or that it’s not “natural” (so what, your tattoo isn’t either, or many other lifesaving medical procedures). But anyway I got sick of this discussion.
But it’s terrifying how much crap they are presented with on things like TikTok and Instagram, once they view one hate video it serves them more and more because they keep looking at them. Most of them are easily debunked but there are just so many.
Unfortunately, the UK has their own anti-trans movement independent of the US. Any official ‘Harry Potter’ products directly fund it (thanks, Rowling).
Rowling overplayed her hand recently, I think. There’s a podcast I listen to every day, whose host I enjoy a lot, and most of his regular guests I like as well. One of them I’m not a fan of because she’s pretty transphobic… until Rowling attacked India Willoughby. That, it seems, was a step too far, because this previously rather transphobic lady was like “hang on a second, India Willoughby is a woman though”, and has settled into a new position of “there’s conversations that need to be had about prisons and sports, but otherwise trans people are not a threat and we need to be more tolerant”. This is someone who has, on occasions, induced such rage in me that I ended up yelling at the podcast, and her change of tack caught me completely by surprise. When Rowling has started frothing at the mouth so much that even other transphobes are rethinking their views, things feel a little less hopeless.
I think it’s because a lot of her fans were like “hang on, she’s just misunderstood, she’s not really transphobic, just doesn’t want those fake transes going into women’s spaces”, and Rowling kept it pretty vague, open for misinterpretation, not really ever able to be pinned down as actually being provably transphobic in the minds of many.
But something happened recently and it tipped her over the edge, from keeping her donations low key and her transphobia aimed at the theoretical “not really a woman ‘trans-identified-male’ boogeyman-woman” (who doesn’t really exist), to outright making open donations to anti-trans groups and attacking real trans women.
All the sudden her supporters are like… Wait, this is not who we thought you meant… Where are these scary men? The ones invading women’s spaces that you were talking about?
Yep. I do reckon there’s a percentage of transphobes who are imagining hordes of men pretending to be women to get into women’s spaces, but genuinely do have no problem with actual trans people (even in women’s spaces. Even as a trans person, I think the belief that, for example, the small number of convicted rapists claiming a trans identity need to be far more closely scrutinised than someone with no history of acting in bad faith, is reasonable.) Now that Rowling is saying the quiet parts out loud, she becomes repulsive to that particular group.
I truly hope that you’re right, but many in the US had similar thoughts about Trump.
That’s torture and irreparable harm.
Yeah. I heard about this on the radio, and my first thought was, “Oh shit, those suicide rates are going to skyrocket.”
My second thought was “Should I throw a bucket of gravy over whoever’s responsible, or should I come at them with a cricket bat?”
“Oh shit, those suicide rates are going to skyrocket.”
Oh nah, people are absolutely going to die as a direct result of this decision. More many will have scars.
It’s still murder—still assault—if the weapon you form against a person is their own beleaguered hand.
I weep for needless death.
I vote cricket bat, then throw a bucket of gravy on them as they lay on the ground. Then spit on them. Then kick them… A lot!
Make sure the gravy is good and salty, too.
Kids are going to die because of this.
Conservatives don’t care. For everyone’s sake they need to go. It’s so saddening to see the UK government copying the ideas of right-wing extremists in the USA.
That’s the point.
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thank god nhs scotland is separate from nhs england but the sad thing is the waitlist was already absurd long and the tory and labour’s pursuit of pseudoscience will just harm trans people even more.
never mind the fact that something used for THREE DECADES for cis children is hardly experimental… and still used today for trans and cis children in other countries.
The government said it welcomed the “landmark decision”, adding it would help ensure care is based on evidence and is in the “best interests of the child”.
Because nothing says evidence based care based on the best interests of the patient than blanket-banning treatment based on zero evidence whatsoever.
especially treatments which work fine for years and many other countries
They think that just because they never heard of puberty blockers before last year that they are some new and novel thing.
Fuck this shitty terf island
Why not also forbid antibiotics and cough medicine /s
Because that wouldn’t hurt vulnerable minorities in particular. It’s the old fascist technique of feeding people scapegoats on whom they can blame their troubles and take out their anger and frustration, so that they never ask whether the government might be responsible for their problems. It works best if you victimize a minority group that most people are unfamiliar with, and make it dangerous for people of that group to show their faces in public. Then the masses will never learn that they are not to be feared and hated.
Unfortunately the British people are staggeringly easy to convince that the government of the last 14 years has nothing to do with their declining quality of life over the last 14 years. It makes this scapegoating propaganda all too easy.
fucked up
I believe this was deliberate and not just a fuck up.
“The cruelty is the point”.
Fair point. I’ll change it.
This is going to fuck over kids that go through precocious puberty and cancer patients.
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It follows a public consultation on the issue and an interim policy, and comes after NHS England commissioned an independent review of gender identity services for children under 18 in 2020.
Dr Hilary Cass, who led the review, published an interim report in February 2022 saying there was a need to move away from one unit and recommended regional options be available to better support children.
The NHS said children attending these clinics will be supported by experts in neurodiversity, paediatrics and mental health, “resulting in a holistic approach to care”.
John Stewart, national director of specialised commissioning at NHS England, said the responses were “polarised” in line with the debate around puberty blockers.
Mr Stewart said: “Many people said the policy didn’t go far enough in terms of still allowing potential access (to puberty blockers) through research, and others saying clearly they disagreed fundamentally and that these should be routinely available to everyone who believes they need it.”
Former prime minister Liz Truss “welcomed” NHS England’s decision ahead of her Health and Equality Acts (Amendment) Bill which is up for its second reading on Friday.
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Sorry for the off-topic comment, but what’s the syntax for making a collapsible quote like that? Anyone know?
Not sure if this is standard or GitHub-flavoured Markdown, or a special thing just for Lemmy, but you use
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