HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors::“Never own a printer again.”
Thanks! I’ll never own an HP printer! Good advice!
HP anything really.
HP stands for hot paninis, because their laptops get so hot they can be used as a panini press.
I still have my HP laptop from a few years ago, and despite running like crap nowadays, it still manages to warm my legs through my desk
Dev One laptop isn’t bad, got one on eBay for less than half of its original price and it’s a solid machine. Other than that, HP can chew glass.
I will refuse to buy anything HP, even used stuff, purely out of spite for them pulling this shit.
Im at peace knowing that i bought it off the previous owner and not from the company, but that is completely fair.
Okay, I might make an exception for antique tech from the '90s or earlier, back when HP was actually good (e.g. a LaserJet 4, an HP-28C calculator, the function generator somebody posted in another thread yesterday, etc.). That’s very unlikely, though.
Their OfficeJet Pro is $13 a month and offers next business day replacement. If I were to purchase out of spite, it would be with a debit/temporary card with exactly $13 on it, and claim a replacement for defective printer (since it cant print offline). I wonder if HP would still try these things if each “customer” costed them substantially more in shipping back and forth, or having to write off two “office” printers for $13.
Was HP any good ever?
I remember disliking all of their Laps when I was a teen, but maybe it was a bad purchase by my parents too…
But HP enforces an Internet connection by having its TOS also state that HP may disrupt the service—and continue to charge you for it—if your printer’s not online.
HP says it enforces a constant connection so that the company can monitor things that make sense for the subscription, like ink cartridge statuses, page count, and “to prevent unauthorized use of Your account.” However, HP will also remotely monitor the type of documents (for example, a PDF or JPEG) printed, the devices and software used to initiate the print job, “peripheral devices,” and any other “metrics” that HP thinks are related to the subscription and decides to add to its remote monitoring.
The All-In-Plan privacy policy also says that HP may “transfer information about you to advertising partners” so that they can “recognize your devices,” perform targeted advertising, and, potentially, “combine information about you with information from other companies in data sharing cooperatives” that HP participates in. The policy says that users can opt out of sharing personal data.
The All-In-Plan TOS reads:
Subject to the terms of this Agreement, You hereby grant to HP a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free right to use, copy, store, transmit, modify, create derivative works of and display Your non-personal data for its business purposes.
My god, it’s so bad
Remote Monitoring. Reads more like something a malware would do.
Holy shit, that’s like a step away from adding in refusal to print things that are potentially copyrighted or otherwise unacceptable
Or spend $15 more and get a Brother Laser printer.
They’re getting worse too. Retroactively blocking third party toner cartridges.
Then get an epson ecotank. That being said, those toner cartridges last so long that I don’t mind paying full price for one every few years.
Yeah, brother claims 4k pages for my cartridges, but I get around 10k pages before I need to replace them. That’s pretty reasonable for a 90€ toner cartridge
I’ve just rejected firmware updates and will continue to do so as long as possible. If it gets to where I can’t do that anymore for some reason I might leverage my professional expertise into remedying the situation more permanently.
At this point, with ALL this negative press about Hp inkjet printers, who’s buying them? I certainly would never even consider one at this point. Well I’d never buy an inkjet but I digress.
Honestly. How do they still have customers?? Are the majority of consumers just accepting this?
Own an old HP.
Daaaamn this printer good!
Need new one. Get HP cuz gud, reliable and known.
Get betrayed
HP hasn’t been good in over 20 years though. Seriously, they’ve been bottom tier for a long time now.
For people who know their stuff, sure. But for people who use printers cadually? Decade old still good.
With this sort of mentality I wonder. I’m in IT and I would never suggeet any HP equipment (desktops, laptops, servers, monitors, etc).
My corpo masters are moving us to HP because it’s cheaper…
As per usual they are targeting companies. Just how Windows despite its flaws, high price and security issues remains a dominant force, through retailers and OEMs. HP will sign a contract with a company, they will replace toners and provide all kinds of services for X$ a month. Then you don’t care it’s garbage that keeps messing things up. Also people higher up who sign these deals have things printed for them, they don’t mess with drivers.
People buy them because they are cheap. Ecotanks and Laser printers with good features cost a lot more upfront. Not everyone thinks things through long term.
$36/mo is 144 pages printed at my local library. If I needed to print that many pages, I’d get an enterprise MFP.
I had to print something yesterday… I submitted it to staples and went and picked it up.
Cost me $2
I expect that 10 pages will be all I’ll have to print in 2024.
In the last 5 years I’ve spent less than $10 on printing.
If I had to actually print items… I’d get a inexpensive brother laser printer
Last thing I had to print was in 2022, so I’m also content to just use printing services.
Not from HP, I hope…
Controversial opinion, but I like Kyocera’s enterprise offerings. Xerox is always solid too.
HP can pay me monthly to suck my balls. First month is free
First month is free
where do I sign up?
Excuse me Sir, there’s a line.
Sir this is a Wend-- oh it’s the same price all day?
I bet you it sends them the printer data so they can use it to train AI. It’s all in the ToC
The article literally says they sell your data to advertising partners. You’re paying a monthly subscription to give away your personal data for something as basic as a fucking printer. If HP doesn’t die my hope in humanity will be gone.
Imagine your thermostat sold your data so companies could solicit you with coats to buy, or your fridge sold the data of what food you have so shitty brands can beg you to buy their low quality trash because they spent half their budget on advertising.
I’m preaching to the choir but god I hate the ever growing data broker/aggressive targeted advertising trend.
I mean like, the content of your prints
At this point I know I will never buy a printer, period.
Get a black and white laser printer from brother… It’s all you ever really “need”
That’s what I got, years later still haven’t changed the ink and it runs smoothly. Not sure whose buying HP
People who don’t keep up with things like this, which is honestly a lot of people. I was the electronics guys at walmart for years. Just quit a few months back. So many people would be stunned when I tell them about all the bullshit HP pulls. And so many more would hit me with ‘well ive heard good things’ and buy it anyways.
Good on you for giving them fair warning
Yeah I honestly tried with a lot of the shit there lol. oh well.
You know, I think this is one of those “some people just want to get scammed” moments.
That’s a whole other can of worms. I would get so many old fucks coming in for gift cards, mostly iTunes of course, and when the amount seemed fishy I would ask what it was for and, predictably, quite often it was some obvious bullshit. some would believe me right away, some would take some convincing, some would get mad. I remember one in particular called me a ‘fucking moron who doesn’t know shit’ and insisted i sell him the 1k iTunes so he could pay is taxes. Had fun selling that one.
Others really stick out though. I had more then a few of the ‘love scams’ over the years. The military online BF who was discharged but has to pay his own trip home. This one in particualar is gonna stick with me till the day I die. She was there with a friend, and when i brought up how obvious the bullshit was, her friend was like ‘SEE!?’ We talked to her about this for a half hour or so before she believed us and holy fuck did she break down.
To be fair it’s always a crapshoot whether the person at Walmart or BestBuy or wherever really knows their stuff or just has a personal bias.
Sounds like you’re doing good by folks but for a lot of people you’re going to have an uphill credibility battle mostly because they don’t know you.
I’m a professional software engineer that has done all sorts of things involving computers over the years … I’ll always hear people out and some do have some genuinely great advice/say things I would’ve said if somebody asked me (and almost definitely aren’t getting paid what they’re worth by these places). Others are just kinda blowing smoke … and I fear for the customers that listen to them lol.
lol don’t get me started on the stupid shit i heard from my coworkers. one time I was just coming back from break and this new girl had been helping a customer while I was gone. They had just finished up the sale.
How do I get photopshop on this?
Oh it will have an app store.
IT WAS A FUCKING MONITOR
Big oof…
I’ve heard good things about the tank printers
I picked up an Epson eco tank printer for my wife a couple years ago, and it’s been fantastic! My wife, being a kindergarten teacher has a knack for absolutely killing printers… And this little Epson has been a work horse!!! I have nothing but good things to say about it!
just get a small laser printer. i got a Pantum Laser Printer, on sale, for like $40. Its on its 3rd refill after years and years of heavy printing for my wife while in school.
Costs $.10 to print at the library.
I’m fortunate to have a library just down the street so I go over there.
I also don’t have to print anything very often so I’ve only had to do that a couple of times in as many years.
My library offers $7 worth of printing free each week with your Library. I am curious how many households actually still have printers these days.
The public library here (and it’s far from alone) offers free B&W and color laser printing, free large format printing and free 3D printing. Libraries are awesome.
(I am married to one of the library’s administrators, so I may be slightly biased, but really, go check out your local library.)
I bought a Brother laser printer some years back for like $120 and am still working on the starter toner cartridge. HP can fuck right off with this.
My laser printer is so old that it’s USB 1.0.
It’s on its second toner cartridge and I have no plans to get rid of it.
Same here. BW Brother printer and I can get 3 toner cartridges for about $25. At about a dozen pages a day, those cartridges last me a whole year.
I bought an HP m281 mfp printer 3-4 years ago and disabled automatic firmware updates when I was setting it up. Not too long after that I read that a new firmware release prevented 3rd party cartridges from working.
Anyway I bought new ink cartridges a couple of years ago after getting pop-ups saying the ink was getting low. Thing is, I haven’t had to install them yet because despite the warnings the printer has been printing just fine with the original cartridges.
So in addition to blocking 3rd party cartridges HP is also lying about how much ink their cartridges contain.
F.U. HP.
All printers do this to some extent, I think. A combination of never wanting to report a false negative plus manufacturers making most of their money on consumables.
One of the cheapie monochrome Brother printers we have at work has been bitching about replacing the imaging drum for about four years now. We just dismiss the message and it’s been printing just fine this whole time. It still is.
Right, my thought has always been I’d rather change the ink when the print quality bothers me, not because the company that sold me the printer is forcing me to.
I wouldn’t pay half that if it was the only source to feed HP employees. Fuck HP in the ass with a gasoline soaked pickle.
But then again Brother was founded by known racist Hulk Hogan, so…
HP was dead to me 15+ years ago.
Fuckin’ shit-merchants.
HP was dead to me as soon as I bought a Brother
Never own a printer again.
I’ll never own an HP printer again.
But not in the way they want…
Even the low end is insane. $8 a month for 20 pages? You can go to a place like Staples or FedEx Office with a USB drive and get that printed out for less than a dollar.
It’s actually 20c per page for about 4 bucks. Then there is tax for another 40c then 35c of gas and possibly 15 minutes of your time over and over and over again.
The right answer is a black and white laser. spend $199 once in the next 10-15 years
You could also go to the library.
This is what we did, sometimes we print, sometimes we don’t, toner doesn’t dry. Multi function 200 dollars. So far 5 years later, off brand toner and all is well.
In a lot of densely populated Asian cities, you can print to the shared printer of a local convenience store through the network without bringing a USB drive. You submit the job, it gets stored in the queue of the device, you go to the store (usually just downstairs from your apartment), scan a QR code, and the job prints. You can even pay online - it’s great!
I’m running a black & white wired Brother printer through a CUPS relay & I couldn’t be happier without HP’s bullshit
Brother is an excellent no-bullshit company. It’s was a sigh of relief when I switched from HP’s bullshit to shove-a-power-cord-and-forget approach of Brother. Even their wake up and time to first page is significantly better than HP’s. I still didn’t use up my original toner but once I do, I’ll buy original. Their almost atypical approach at this point deserves to be rewarded.
I bought an old simple HP LaserJet like 4 years ago, it’s probably the worst printer I’ve ever used and that includes the crappy bubblejet printer we had as a kid. Shit you not, I pretty much need to hand feed the thing, it almost always fails to grab a sheet out of the tray and it’s usually crooked when it does.
Wish I hadn’t given my brother printer to my parents when I graduated honestly, was solid af. It’d be 16 years old now but still going strong.
Issues I experienced with my HP are hard to describe with words and have people believe you. Once it freaked out in a way where it would print exactly 2.5 pages. You give it 10 pages to print. It would print first two properly, third one comes half-way. You restart the print and offset starting page, same deal. First 2 come out perfect, third one half-way through.
I even managed to record this one. Where it would come and go from the printer list but if you were skillful enough to select it and click print it would work perfectly fine. There it was connected through network. Why it did this I don’t know.
Old HPs were great, those 20yo+. 5L, 6L series and the such, since they acquired that mechanism from Canon. This new stuff, not worth its weight in plastic.
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My MiL has this ancient deeply yellowed office grade HP laser printer she dug out as her document printer, it’s a tank and runs like a dream. Found that driver wise it seems to be easier to setup in Linux than windows, I keep meaning to setup a print server for her with an old pi I have…
That may actually be one of the weirdest issues I’ve ever heard of, were you ever able to figure out why it would only give you 2.5 pages?
Nope. Power cord pull and refusal to use it for a week or so solved the issue. Different one appeared though where it would print 10 copies if you requested one. God forbid you stopped it mid print. Then whenever you decided you needed something else to print it would resume where it left then print your new thing in 3-10 copies.
Luckily I ran into some open source folk, thank you whoever you are, who mentioned that open source driver is complete for my model and I should just completely remove HPLIP. This solved the issue almost completely. It would get stubborn at waking up from time to time, but printing resumed normally after not using HP software on HP printer. Ended up giving the printer to my brother who was more optimistic than me and I just bought “that one Brother printer everyone has”.
