He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”
To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.
Which “liberals?” I thought it was funny. I guess I’m not “liberal” enough? I’m voting for Biden because I’ll do anything to stop Trump, but I’m not going to pretend he shouldn’t be mocked.
yeah I enjoyed it too, a couple of different friends mentioned it being funny I don’t know anyone that was upset about it.
probably just another article about some random vocal minority complaining
I thought it was funny too, but man is it uncomfortable knowing that it could sway people away from voting for Biden and swing the scales in favor of Trump.
He was just as hard if not harder on Trump in the same segment, so I don’t think it would.
The problem is of the people that watch him. The majority of them would never vote for Trump in the first place. Most of them would probably vote Biden. So being hard on Trump he’s simply preaching to the choir. Being hard on Biden. He might demoralize a few from participating. It doesn’t mean he was wrong or wrong to do it. But it is a possible concern. Though the only group to actually blame for that is the Democrats.
I mean I’m still going to vote for them. Because I like the idea of still having elections even if they are highly flawed. You don’t get that sort of thing under full blown fascism.
If Jon’s audience somehow got swayed into voting FOR Trump over some criticisms on Biden, they were never listening in the first place.
That’s a fair and comforting point. I thought Stewart was a bit heavy on criticism, but it’s not so much that I dislike the criticism, but that I’m wary it’ll lead to apathy and people not voting.
Doesn’t really matter does it? A vote is a vote.
Wish the DNC had told themselves the same before insisting which bed we lay in for another four years.
Denial and scolding/belittling/abusing people for having legitimate concerns will lose a lot more people than being honest and having a sense of humor.
That’s an interesting point. Jon Stewart’s job isn’t to get Biden elected. Just like Fox and MSNBC shouldn’t be their job to get their respective candidates elected. He should present things as he sees it and the people should inform themselves to select the best candidate
That’s fine, and I can respect that, but damn am I scared of another Trump administration.
Yeah that’s my only concern really. I don’t want people to become apathetic and not vote. I think Stewart’s message though is probably the fairest way to prevent that though. Acknowledge that yeah, Biden is old, and he’s not as sharp as he used to be. He is by no means the ideal nor dream candidate. People are right to feel iffy about him.
But Trump means there’s really no question of who to vote for and who you should vote for. We can be honest and affirm worries about Biden while still encouraging votes for him.
The ones on Twitter that are sourced in the article. This is a non story.
People complaining on Twitter, say it ain’t so.
Probably saw 2 people on twitter and then they just expanded and said all liberals?
So they saw both of the remaining Twitter users, makes sense
My guess is bot farms mostly. Russia, the DNC, the RNC, et al benefit in their own ways from posting their reactions all over social media. Sure some on the far left probably didn’t make it past the first commercial break, but with an election, everyone is coming out to play
Regardless, they are both way too old to be running again. I find it hard to believe these guys with one foot in the grave and an inability to speak coherently are our best bet.
Well said and agreed 100%.
It’s not hard to grasp really is it.
Neolibs might be crying but literally everyone else is laughing
…. Most of whom will still be voting for him. Extremely accurate criticisms aside.
Right. I laughed my ass off, because it’s fucking true.
We’ve got two old as shit dudes, both with shit memories, running for president.
Sure one is the better option, but neither are great options… And imagine them in four more years
Yikes.
Right. As I keep saying, I’ll be voting for the forgetful doddering old grandpa that isn’t a treasonous rapist who says he’ll be a dictator.
Yeah, addressing it directly and with humor is exactly the way to tackle the issue. All the liberals frantically trying to gaslight about an 81 year old’s memory just look like they’re in a cult, which will actually drive voters away.
He’s old, probably too old, but Trump is not only worse in general, but demonstrably worse on that very issue. It sucks that our choice is which declining man should be the leader of the free world, but that’s the question we’re faced with.
We’ve seen what happens when a party refuses to scrutinize their own candidate. Learn that lesson part.
Good? Jon Stewart always took no prisoners. If you’re offended now then you weren’t paying attention before.
I don’t understand what people were thinking when Stewart came back? I mean he was always merciless to anyone’s failings regardless of party, it’s just that the republicans provided so much more fodder for him vs the Dems who at least on the surface went in with good intentions most of the time. It was usually him attacking the Dems for their failures in meeting their own standards vs attacking the republicans for having no standards at all.
Democrats are a lot further right than they were for his first go round.
Who wasn’t laughing? It was hilarious. Jon Stewart’s points were spot on all around.
Who wasn’t laughing?
People who require uncritical support of their candidate.
He was right on all points.
But people obviously missed the point he made about the choice is still between a old Biden or old lunatic. So it’s not some 50/50 both sides bullshit
in a way, I wonder if JS was egging the mainstream media on to highlight the difference themselves, to distinguish a key difference - one’s an imperfect solution, the other is a deranged tyrant criminal. Yeah, do the math.
Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of “their own”, no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.
You see, our side can do no wrong and is perfect. It’s their side that’s wrong, always. We’re the good guys, and they’re the bad guys - how could Jon betray the only side that’s good, noble and completely faultless? That clearly means he’s with them and not with us, because nuance is a foreign loan word that we don’t need, and everything is black and white!
Fucking sad and depressing - glad I get to look at it from the outside, but still…
I’m not American but I can see why the left going after Biden now is not a good idea. It’s just gonna lead to a Trump win. I hate Biden, the guy has blood on his hands from his constant support of the drug war. But you should have thought of that before. Either back him now, and get a better candidate going. Or go after Biden now and lose to Trump. And then you’ll get nothing done.
Biden should never have been the Democrats pick, Clinton either, but it’s too late for all that now.
what happened to “it’s ok if bernie doesn’t win you just gotta vote for biden and push him left when he’s in office” because this is not that.
They lied to us. They we’re never going to let us even try to push.
The Inflation Reduction Act did turn out to be the most leftist climate policy in history, and it was so potent that it forced European countries to adopt similar policies too. That’s probably the best example of Biden being pushed left.
Leftist means a fundamental restructuring of ownership over the economy and means of production. ‘Not destroying the planet’ is not a leftist position, it’s simply a position common among leftists because we dont want our kids to die. Shows how far the overton window has been pushed right when things like fixing bridges that are decades out of spec and trying to not kill the planet is considered leftist.
That definition of leftist is outdated, frankly. In the modern day there’s a whole lot more associated with it.
I would posit actually that the original definition is solely economic because at the time political thinkers and economists were solely men, and not interested in minorities and women’s rights.
To a republican leftism is anything they don’t like. That doesn’t make it true simply because half the country says it. That word has meaning, the overton window is being pushed to convince you it does not.
Let’s extrapolate, lets say not killing the planet is a leftist position, what’s the democrat position then? Only kill a little of the planet?
No no no. You see, Union Buster Biden actually is the progressive champion and you’re a Russian bot for saying otherwise
Tbf apparently he kept working with them after that and got them what they wanted.
Still supporting baby killers though
It’s fucked. Life’s fucked. I’m fucked. You’re fucked. Everything’s fucked. It’s fucked to the point it can’t be unfucked. It’s completely, and thoroughly fucked.
It’s better than 1942
Until it isn’t.
Yes, betrayal - because the US devolved so much into tribalism, that any critique of “their own”, no matter if justified or not, is a betrayal and taboo.
Just look on here whenever I post an article critiquing Biden. I get called every name in the book. Russian bot, China bot, Trumper etc
To be faaaaaiiiirrr, you do kinda only post that stuff. Mix it up a bit like me and they’ll stop calling you a Russian bot and start calling you just plain crazy
I am only disappointed because his big comeback was sold to us as a man against MAGATARDS.
ONE-TIME FANS WHO perhaps remember comedian Jon Stewart only taking satirical swipes at conservatives while host of The Daily Show
Not a good look for an article to start with such a hot take. Anyone who thought Stewart never took aim at Democrats couldn’t have been a fan because they must have never watched his fucking show.
I would guess they know that? Stewart will likely do what he did when Hillary was running. Spend 9 months bad mouthing Biden and then wonder why the hell he didn’t win in the end, but feel sanctimonious that it couldn’t possibly be anything he did while Texas murders a few thousands migrants at the border.
So Hillary lost because of Stewart’s criticisms and not because her own team prompted trump up under the illusion that he could never win?
thank you
We’re in a weird spot. On the one hand, legitimate criticisms should always be welcome especially when directed at our elected officials. In a healthy democracy we would vote out people who disappoint or underperform. On the other hand, we don’t have a healthy democracy and one side is determined to vote for a man with the most extensive list of abhorrent behavior ever documented in the nation’s history. Criticizing Biden just makes it more likely that a super close race will go to Trump, who is unquestionably worse than Biden.
Part of me wants to say “let’s get the Trump threat behind us and THEN we can work on building a healthier democracy,” but that isn’t how a healthy democracy works! If we compromise on our values to get rid of someone we disagree with, are we the baddies? It’s a frustrating and scary place to be.
“The ends justify the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have are means.”
U.K. LeGuin
If you’re unable to secure a better candidate, you’d better laugh.
If you didn’t laugh at Stewart’s criticism, you’re no better than a Bill Maher or new york times liberal.
Who cares? Like me, personally, I think too much is being made of the age thing for Biden (and not enough for Trump) but Jon Stewart is not some party spokesman. If he wants to go Enlightened Centrist “BOTH SIDES are too old!” for comedy he can. His job is the comedy, not the election.
He’s also just correct. Just because Trump is such a scum human doesn’t make Biden’s three star rating into a five star. It just means three stars is better than this opponent’s zero.
And it’s not like the entire show was about Biden age. Jon Stewart does have a clear preference and does find reason so skewer one side of the political spectrum more than the other but we shouldn’t expect nor even want blind allegiance
Biden leaves me the fuck alone and passes good policy. He is my dream president.
That episode was scathing and I love it.
Of course they’re upset, this is post-Trump America after all! You’re not allowed to criticize both sides equally! You HAVE TO pick a side and support them fully no matter what bullshit spews out of their mouths! It’s a law now! The whole thing falls apart if we’re not all running around screaming for blood like a bunch of lunatics!
Like how you’re getting downvotes because you’re speaking the truth.
US politics is literally “democrat bad” or “republican bad”, and both are apparently immune from criticism from anybody unless you’re criticizing the opposite team. Trump and the Republican party is unquestionably fucked up for being fascists, but that shouldn’t mean we can’t scrutinize whatever the hell the Dems are doing - and what they are not doing as well. We should hold our government accountable for what they do because we’re the goddamn people.
I say this as somebody who will vote Democrat - not because I actually want Biden, but because I don’t want Trump or a modern-day Republican as President.
The show was really funny. This post was a good excuse to watch the monologue again. Looking forward to next Monday’s show.
