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    9 months ago

    Who could’ve imagined that Google is becoming just as mediocre and boring as any other large corporation. What a surprise!

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      I am old enough to remember that Apple was the pirate of Silicon Valley, and then it became the most “cooperation” company in the industry. Then it’s Google then there will be a next one. It’s probably inevitable for any company to go this route.

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        It’s a well travelled path for any company in the tech sphere. Start out as a disruptor and breath of fresh air in a stagnant industry and then slowly crank the dial toward enshittification over time hoping that the reputation you previously built will keep your customer base from jumping ship too quickly.

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      They’ve long been quite mediocre judging by the incredible long hours of those working there and shit quality of basically any technical framework they put out.

      They have shoved tons of resources into some things (such as Android) and thus at times succeeded (though usually they don’t), but in terms of quality from a technical point of view (i.e. software design, technical architecture) their stuff looks like it was hammered together by a bunch of junior devs.

      Lucky timing followed by some smart strategical decisions (and, seemingly, lots of money together with a throw everything at the wall and see what sticks management strategy) are what made Google, not excellence.

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        It’s unfair to discount Google’s early days. They DID have technical excellence. Search was leagues better than the competition. Gmail was an amazing leap from other providers. Android started as trash but improved rapidly. The Nexus line of phones was amazing. Google Maps was a huge improvement over what else existed. They did a lot right.

        I can’t pinpoint exactly when the fall started. Was it when Pichai became CEO? When they removed “don’t be evil?” I remember a speech Pichai gave where he talked about “more wood behind fewer arrows” as why they were getting rid of employee child projects, so maybe it was that.

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          I can’t pinpoint exactly when the fall started.

          In my opinion, it was when anti-trust laws did not trigger upon Google acquiring YouTube because Google Video couldn’t compete. That meant it was open season on start-ups that otherwise might have grown to kill Google or other big tech companies like Apple, Facebook and Microsoft.

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              See List of mergers and acquisitions by Alphabet for the graveyard list. Sorting by Price helps. Some other notable companies that Google acquired rather than compete with:

              • Nest Labs (home automation)
              • DropCam (home automation)
              • DoubleClick (advertisement)
              • FitBit (wearables)
              • Waze (GPS navigation)
              • Skybox Imaging (satellite mapping)
              • Like.com (shopping)
              • Meebo (social network)
              • GrandCentral (VOIP)
              • Picasa (photographry)
              • Tenor (GIF search)
              • PhotoMath (LLM; became Bard)
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          Android started as trash

          It started off by beating the pants off of iOS in terms of features, but was not nearly as polished.

          Definitely not trash. But also not polished for the masses.

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            And they acquired it in the first place.

            To their credit (or at least the Android team), they quickly moved it from Linux-on-a-handheld to a real thing.

            Android still isn’t as polished as iOS, but it’s a far more capable system.

            And that’s good. iOS has it’s place, as does Android.

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        Notable: Google Home can no longer set timers and does not understand what “stop playing” means. It’s basically only usable for asking for music to be played since it has declined so heavily.

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          I just tried to reproduce your comment. Google home set a timer for me and play/paused my TV (chromecast with google tv) I don’t have streaming music to test it on. I do agree that the quality of Google home has gotten terrible though. It takes a lot more prompting to do simple things and has stopped some scheduling tasks as far as I can tell.

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            When I ask it to set a timer, it tells me that it doesn’t understand me. If I ask it to stop playing, it tells me that it doesn’t understand me. I have to just say “stop”. It also used to transfer whatever you were listening to between speakers, but cannot understand me anymore if I ask for that.

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      It became this in approximately 2009 - 2010, around when the founders left and the business bros took over. We’ve been seeing the slow decline since then, though it may be accelerating now.

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        I loved Google for so long, but they have really lost it. I switched back to Firefox last year as a meek sign of protest. My work still uses Gmail and my personal email is still Gmail, it’s gonna be rough to extricate myself. My fucking phone number is Google voice

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          Yep. Gmail is the final piece for me. Everything else has been migrated at this point.

          I will keep YouTube sadly. Sad because it’s Google.

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      “Becoming”?

      “Don’t be evil”. Not-evil people don’t need to say such things.

      Also, any large organization is a shit show, regardless of what it’s organized for. It’s the nature of humanity.

      A (former) boss used to say “if you have 3 employees you have nine problems”.

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    The Verge reported that CEO Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts. “And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure,” he said, per the Verge.

    Chalmers: People send thank you’s for lay offs?

    Pichai: Yes.

    Chalmers: May I see one?

    Pichai: No.

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      1. Who writes an email directly to the CEO of their company, and
      2. Who would that email have to be from for the CEO to actually bother reading it?

      I’m guessing it’s not your rank-and-file type “people”.

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        Managers from unaffected departments who are glad they have less internal competition. And that’s pretty much it.

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        Certainly only certain people have email addresses that can even send to his inbox. Everyone else would be blocked.

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      “This is a conversation I could imagine happening if I spoke to my employees directly, and that’s as good as an actual conversation.”

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    […] Sundar Pichai defended the layoffs and claimed that workers sometimes reach out to express gratitude for the cuts.

    “It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week.”

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      Those workers are kissing ass to make their careers.

      Sundar is a complete idiot if he believes what those guys say. And he probably doesn’t, but it sounds good to the press I guess.

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        Even the press isn’t fooled. Sundar isn’t fooled. The other employees aren’t fooled. We, the outside observers, aren’t fooled. You have to wonder what the point of all this was.

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        Yeah, I thought his clueless reaction not only didn’t dispel but just confirmed the problem.

        He’s in a bubble, clueless that Google is now staffed by up-managing promo-seekers and not people who care about solving problems in a “googly” way like it was 10 years ago. His toadying to Wall Street and corporate culture shift did that, and now he doesn’t even notice that people are telling him what he wants to hear and complimenting his policies even when they don’t work.

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    This has been a huge problem for Google for several years now. Under Sundar, Google implemented several regressive “un-Google” policies like Unregretted Attrition (URA) to reduce worker numbers, shifting responsibility to managers and senior leadership to determine technical vision, and promoting people who are solely focused on “empire building” over delivering the best products. The result is a management-heavy structure where policies like “put AI in everything” and “display more ads” are likely to be a business driver over making the best products.

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    This is why companies should be run by their workers. Even places that start out with a good culture get taken over by the business school blob whose only job is to get promoted and loot the company.

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      There are some folks that know both how to run a business well and are passionate about the technology, but they are rare unfortunately. More common in smaller organizations at least.

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        They’re common in small orgs. Once you go public and the only thing that matters is the quarterly bottom line, you almost have no choice but to replace them with people whose only though is “make number go up”

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    From the article:

    “And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’ Sometimes we have a complicated, duplicative structure”

    Employees think leadership is out of touch. This statement from the CEO proves this problem exists and starts at the top.

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        Workers: “our bosses are inept”

        You: “the gays are making their lives worse!”

        This is what Fox News does to people’s brains. Truly sickening.

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        Racist, misogynist, xenophobic, bigoted, made-up story about a company hiring women+minorities into dedicated departments which then don’t do any work

        They must have a lot of departments full of white, straight men to compensate, otherwise the company would surely go under. /s

        edit: before anyone thinks I actually meant this seriously…I was reacting to a ridiculously bigoted comment by some troll (I know…I shouldn’t have reacted) claiming their company had entire departments full of women+minorities not doing any work. The comment no longer exists of course. I

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    This is what happens when entitled business bros take over. The sort of person who is uninterested in tech but is interested in quarterly bonuses will be inept and glassy eyed.

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        This makes me so sad, I really enjoyed the comic for years and years. Then he had to go and open his fucking mouth and ruin the entire thing. Now I feel a twinge of disgust rather than delight when I see a reference of him.

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          Not sure if I want to know, but what did he say? I’m out of the loop…

          Edit: just found the comment with context from TwilightVulpine below…

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            Behind the Bastards did an entire takedown on Scott. Dude has never had it together. He can’t imagine himself as anything but the smartest person in any room, then he got rich off Dilbert, which only confirmed it. He views all human interaction as an opportunity to impose his views on others while never changing his mind. He blames other races for every inconvenience he has ever experienced. Trump and COVID then sent him into full fascist lunacy.

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              He blames other races for every inconvenience he has ever experienced

              For those who haven’t listened to it, this is not an exaggeration. He blamed diversity initiatives for being fired. It was actually just the company going down the tubes.

              That actually sounds like a good Dilbert plotline for a throw away character, maybe named “Scott the vague racist”.

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        I didn’t know what this was about. I found this that can serve as context for others unaware: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat

        […] Adams urged white people “to get the hell away from Black people” during a racist rant on his online video program last week, during which he labeled Black people a “hate group.”

        On his video show last week, the 65 year old said he had been identifying as Black “because I like to be on the winning team,” and that he used to help the Black community. Adams said the results of the Rasmussen poll changed his mind.

        “It turns out that nearly half of that team doesn’t think I’m okay to be white,” he said, adding that he would re-identify as white. “I’m going to back off from being helpful to Black America because it doesn’t seem like it pays off,” he said. “I get called a racist. That’s the only outcome. It makes no sense to help Black Americans if you’re white. It’s over. Don’t even think it’s worth trying.”

        This is not the first time Adams’ strip has been dropped. Last year, The San Francisco Chronicle and 76 other newspapers published by Lee Enterprises reportedly dropped Dilbert after Adams introduced his first Black character. Quinn noted that the move was “apparently to poke fun at ‘woke’ culture and the LGBTQ community.”

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            You don’t have to contextualize everything you say, it’s fine. Sometimes people gotta look it up, and in this case, they did.