Russians are employing this dastardly new technology called “mines” which no army on earth has encountered before, least of all those of the NATO members like France, Germany and the UK.
Curious. They claim NATO exists as self defense against a peer enemy, yet their strategies only work against small, relatively defenseless countries!
I mean, has NATO ever tried any of it’s strategies on it’s peers? Can we say they don’t work if they haven’t?
The most they’ve done is wargames and after the Millenium Challenge 2002 shit I don’t know if their wargames could even begin to count as an attempt to even model conflict with a near-peer
Should be noted that even then the US lost so comprehensively in the first day of combat that the generals restarted the entire thing and forced the side playing Iran to essentially sit on their hands
NATO is forcing completely absurd tactics and strategies on the Ukrainians that has cost tens of thousands of lives, and this is why we need to support Ukraine even more with more NATO training and wonderweapons!Don’t forget, they’re also saying that Russia is using human wave attacks which also isn’t fair.
Their Human Wave Attacks
Our BraveCivilian PopulationSoldiersWhich We Forcibly ConscriptedFighting To The Last With Naught But A Molotov And An Old Rifle“When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who follows picks up the rifle and sells it to an Italian fascist”
no more half measures walter
The Ukrainians are much better trained than the Russians! It’s just the fact that the Russians are cheating by having a MIC of their own
I’m sorry but no amount of training on the Ukrainian side is going to make up for Russia producing 2.5 million shells a year, that’s just the maths
They’ve been taught to duck tho
If you train them hard enough they turn into Neo from the matrix and can dodge bullets or stop them by pure force of will
“My superior training assumes you punch yourself multiple times in the face.”
No federation, but aren’t mines a war crime because they outlast the war and hurt civilians?
Most of the world agreed to ban mines in the Ottowa Convention, but as usual the countries that really matter (US, Russia, China, etc.) didn’t sign it and aren’t bound by it.
One thing that I think doesn’t get discussed that much is that military aid from NATO allies is great and all but providing tanks to Ukraine (for example) on the face of it, sounds pretty swell but unless troops are trained to operate that particular tank then they will be unable to be efficient and coordinated on the battlefield.
This varies depending on what is being provided. Obviously, for a gun, there’s less of a learning curve than a missile battery or a helicopter which is of a significantly different design to what the Ukrainian military is experienced in operating in the theatre of war.
But there’s a narrative that has developed in the mainstream audience in the west that you just plop down some additional tanks or what have you and it’ll just *work*. But this is war, not some strategy game, and the average person doesn’t seem to have any grasp of the realities on the ground.
But when I play HOI IV I can just click the button and upgrade the equipment? I think it’s you that doesn’t get how works
If I’m remembering right that commentor went on to give a very optimistic prognosis for the counteroffensive. Arguing that because the first line of Russian defences near Robotyne had breached: Tokmak will be captured imminently, putting the entire Russian logistical network under threat and severing the land bridge to Crimea, which will then lead to the total collapse of Russian military power in southern Ukraine. It’s a nice story but one completely divorced from the actual reality of the counteroffensive.
They’re really putting themselves at risk by buying their own bullshit.
According to reddit libs only the first line is actual fighting conscripts then every line behind that is just to shoot retreating russians so once you break through the first line you can casually stroll to Moscow.
Gonna be really hard to explain why they haven’t made any progress 6 months after “breaking the line” in the future.
NATO tactics assume air superiority.
I keep harping on this point again and again because I really cannot get across how fucking stupid it is: YOU DO NOT ASSUME AIR SUPREMACY OVER ANOTHER NATION’S AIRSPACE, YOU FUCKING INCOMPETENT IDIOTS. YOU CANNOT PROJECT AIR POWER 500 MILES DEEP INTO A NATION WITH A COMPREHENSIVE AIR DEFENSE NETWORK, RADARS, AND SAM SITES. YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND THIS IS WHY YOU REFUSE TO DEPLOY THEM ON ACTUAL FRONTLINES.
Then again, since NATO keeps doubling-down on this idea it just means they’re more likely to get fucking annihilated anytime they fight a near-peer in conventional warfare, so critical support to the failson Wunderwaffen generals I guess?
YOUR STEALTH TECHNOLOGY IS NOT INVINCIBLE, AND YOUR SHITTY OVERPRICED BULLSHIT F-35 WILL GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
I absolutely need a variant of the “Sorry, We Didn’t Know It Was Invisible” poster but for an F-35.
Go look on Reddit, you’ll see the same people who hem and haw that NATO is purely defensive gloating about bombing runs
The assumption is nonsense but completely consistent with NATO transforming itself from a force designed to fight a peer military to a glorified colonial gendarmarie following the collapse of the USSR. They drank their own Kool Aid about the end of history and are paying for it now.
I think it says a lot about the countries NATO has been fighting that something like “assume air superiority” isn’t laughed out of the room. It’s because they are mostly in the business of destroying third world nations and haven’t fought wars nearly so much as campaigns to exterminate resistance.
It’s a fundamental flaw in the fascistic thinking of the West. Assuming superiority. “We are the civilized, evolved supreme people, and they are primitive subhumans.”
The 300 Spartans were also better trained. Still got merxied by Xerxes.
One thing that never seems to get brought up in discussion of the battle of Thermopylae is that the Spartans also brought ~900 conscripted helots to fight for them (according to Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus estimated it closer to 1000). They were still totally outnumbered (combined forces of the city states was somewhere between 5,200-7,700 men compared to the 120,000 that fought for Persia).
But the bulk of Sparta’s army being untrained slaves conscripted into fighting somewhat degrades the idea of this elite fighting force™ that works like 300 like to pretend they were.
Oh yeah that movie is hot fascist garbage.
There’s so much emphasis on how the Spartans are the dangerous, tough, manly men, the only force that can save the West™ from the removed other.
My favourite scene for this is when Leonidas yells at the Greeks for not being professional soldiers, 'cos IRL some 400 of those would’ve been from Thebes, which not only also had a professional military, it had a larger and better trained one, and would already have defeated Sparta in battle multiple times by this point.
I still want to know what level of brainworms would lead to them to smugly making a point, defeating that point extensively and then arriving to the conclusion that their point was absolutely correct. Its like their subconsciousness was trying to correct them mid post to no avail.
I think it’s just because they have an idealist view of what “better trained” is that doesn’t account for that, if you aren’t trained for what you are actually doing, you aren’t better trained.
Training must always be considered relative to conditions, like evolutionary fitness. We can say that humans are “more evolved” than the Leedsichthys (a prehistoric fish) because they have a longer evolutionary history, but that doesn’t mean shit if a human and a revived Leedsichthys are in a diving competition.
Likewise, the portion of training Ukrainian soldiers got that depends on assumed air superiority is literally less relevant than Home Ec cooking classes they might have taken.
“It’s not fair because all of nato doctorine is based on fighting uprisings without existing state power or militaries”
French aristocrat knights, c. 14th century: “how dare these English peasants shoot me with longbows!!! Where’s their chivalry!!!”
(Actual military history may vary)
“To teach them a lesson I will ride towards them, down this muddy hill while wearing sommuch armour I cannot stand up on my own. What could possibly go wrong?”
i know you’re doing a bit, but only jousting armour was too heavy to stand in. would be hella shitty to be in full plate if you couldnt move
One night I went down the youtube rabbit hole of dudes in full plate showing off their mobility. One dude even swam for a short time doing a sorta breast stroke thing.
It’s like those sweaty tryhards in online shooters that scream slurs and whine about how sniper rifles/grenades/whatever are “no skill” and because they didn’t receive an e-honourable e-duel 1v1 with pistols (but only skilled pistols) they won by default while losing
Yeah, except real life.
Well, real life to the Ukrainians. It might as well be a game to the libs cheering it on from their armchairs.
Wine cave warriors are getting endless murder treats by staying tuned to the war, complete with a bullshit propaganda angle to make them feel like their favorite team is winning.
we’re crushing Russia using only 8% of our budget. Never mind the blood. Never mind the bodies of Ukrainians this cave is carved out of.Wine cave warrior is a fantastic term btw.
When’s it my turn to have a cave of wine?
Mom says it’s my turn in the wine cave.
The wine cave warriors are the like the militant faction of the treaterati
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64855760
There are no mines, it’s all just shovels. The Ukrainian forces step on the shovels and get hit in the face. Russian shovel technology is too advanced for NATOists to overcome.
westoids can’t into material conditions even during war
KEK
