Labels are used to help us describe and understand the world around us. Calling glass “sand” isn’t helpful, because glass and sand have vastly different properties and are used very differently. Calling a MtF trans-person a woman can have some advantages for some people. For example in a sexual context, they may be perceived by their partner as a woman, and that may be enough to get them off. But using the same label in a medical context would probably make less sense, because it’s still a male. Albeit maybe with less testosterone, breast implants, plastic surgery or castration. But I’m sure a medical doctor will still take these factors into consideration, even though they may not see the patient as a biological female in order to not misdiagnose and hurt the patient.
I normally would try and share something to try and help you understand that it’s an identity and societal issue. I yearn for you to understand the difference between gender and sex. I wish you would understand the process of puberty and just how close anyone undergoing HRT is to everyday members of the gender they are transitioning to.
But, you so surely stated your fucked up opinion and I don’t see a point in trying. You even managed to describe someone like me as an “it”. You had to go out of your way to be insulting and disrespectful.
I am not some fetish, nor are other trans folks. I hope some day you’re forced to reckon with your bigotry.
Might not wanna use “it” for trans people, but you’re getting the idea. The societal context is most important though, since the person’s gender would indicate social expectations. In a sexual context, many people find their trans partners attractive because they act like their gender, not because they completed a physical transition. In the medical context, doctors can easily use preferred pronouns while referring to body parts, “his vagina,” “her penis,” etc.
I don’t know, nor have I heard of a single trans person who denies that they are “biologically” their birth sex. They are extremely, very aware of that fact usually.
Trans men who havent undergone bottom surgery still go get pap smears, trans women still get prostate exams.
There’s a reason why the community has the terms “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth”, and it’s to solve any ‘language utility’ that might be lost from just being respectful and calling them what they want to be called.
I would provide you more detail but I’m not gonna effort post just for you to do a trans denialism so I’ll leave it here.
Let’s ignore the difference between sex and gender. Let’s act like it is the same thing.
Ok, it might be bad to call yourself a woman towards a doctor when your body is one that a doctor would get accurate information about if you said man.
Now how many times in your life do you have to introduce yourself to a doctor where that information that the doctor could receive from your “male” body, isn’t already known to them? Let’s say 100 times?
So you shouldn’t call yourself a woman nor want to be called woman when you feel like a woman, because there are 100 times an interaction that lasts a couple seconds. Because of those 6000secones, you can’t/shouldn’t be called a woman in the other 2207520000 seconds of your life. Noted.
Also I mean I am not trans and I haven’t made the experience but I am fairly certain in the moments my sex is of medical importance, so would be the hormones that I took for years to cause my body to change towards the other sex. I would have to tell them about that anyway, almost as if I could say “I am woman, born in a male body and took hormones in my late teens” and the doctor had all informations in much better detail then when I called myself a man. Not sure though. I haven’t made the experience.
The op is there, not the comment that I was referring to, which was deleted based on “Rule 1” according to the mods, “never oppose our ideology, always give us praise and think like us”. It’s very easy to get censored here. I would not recommend Lemmy to anyone.
Don’t tell me this shit is federated. Any instance that doesn’t follow this particular ideology gets delisted and blocked. That’s not true federation, it’s load balancing wokeness. It’s the same top-down ideological imposition that you find in Reddit today. This is why I say that Lemmy has no potential for growth, it is a niche collection of sites for transexuality and cuckoldry, which wont appeal to wider society.
Oh I see. So you wrote a 2nd comment and that got deleted?
But It is federated. You joined a “woke” network of federal servers. There are alternative Networks. The USA is federated. Germany is federated. That doesn’t make France part of Germany nor the USA; nor is Germany part of the USA. Maybe you could write me a dm if you really want to let me know your thoughts.
Anyway based on your usage of the word “wokeness” and other things that you have expressed, I am fairly certain that you are in the wrong network if you don’t want to be exposed to mods with the opinion that your position is plain hateful and harmful. I don’t think lemmy as a software is at fault here.
Labels are used to help us describe and understand the world around us. Calling glass “sand” isn’t helpful, because glass and sand have vastly different properties and are used very differently. Calling a MtF trans-person a woman can have some advantages for some people. For example in a sexual context, they may be perceived by their partner as a woman, and that may be enough to get them off. But using the same label in a medical context would probably make less sense, because it’s still a male. Albeit maybe with less testosterone, breast implants, plastic surgery or castration. But I’m sure a medical doctor will still take these factors into consideration, even though they may not see the patient as a biological female in order to not misdiagnose and hurt the patient.
I normally would try and share something to try and help you understand that it’s an identity and societal issue. I yearn for you to understand the difference between gender and sex. I wish you would understand the process of puberty and just how close anyone undergoing HRT is to everyday members of the gender they are transitioning to.
But, you so surely stated your fucked up opinion and I don’t see a point in trying. You even managed to describe someone like me as an “it”. You had to go out of your way to be insulting and disrespectful.
I am not some fetish, nor are other trans folks. I hope some day you’re forced to reckon with your bigotry.
Might not wanna use “it” for trans people, but you’re getting the idea. The societal context is most important though, since the person’s gender would indicate social expectations. In a sexual context, many people find their trans partners attractive because they act like their gender, not because they completed a physical transition. In the medical context, doctors can easily use preferred pronouns while referring to body parts, “his vagina,” “her penis,” etc.
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I don’t know, nor have I heard of a single trans person who denies that they are “biologically” their birth sex. They are extremely, very aware of that fact usually.
Trans men who havent undergone bottom surgery still go get pap smears, trans women still get prostate exams.
There’s a reason why the community has the terms “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth”, and it’s to solve any ‘language utility’ that might be lost from just being respectful and calling them what they want to be called.
I would provide you more detail but I’m not gonna effort post just for you to do a trans denialism so I’ll leave it here.
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Let’s ignore the difference between sex and gender. Let’s act like it is the same thing.
Ok, it might be bad to call yourself a woman towards a doctor when your body is one that a doctor would get accurate information about if you said man.
Now how many times in your life do you have to introduce yourself to a doctor where that information that the doctor could receive from your “male” body, isn’t already known to them? Let’s say 100 times?
So you shouldn’t call yourself a woman nor want to be called woman when you feel like a woman, because there are 100 times an interaction that lasts a couple seconds. Because of those 6000secones, you can’t/shouldn’t be called a woman in the other 2207520000 seconds of your life. Noted.
Also I mean I am not trans and I haven’t made the experience but I am fairly certain in the moments my sex is of medical importance, so would be the hormones that I took for years to cause my body to change towards the other sex. I would have to tell them about that anyway, almost as if I could say “I am woman, born in a male body and took hormones in my late teens” and the doctor had all informations in much better detail then when I called myself a man. Not sure though. I haven’t made the experience.
Thanks for your input.
The comment that I made and you replied to was removed by mods, shocking.
I can see your comment… And chocking? Maybe shocking?
The op is there, not the comment that I was referring to, which was deleted based on “Rule 1” according to the mods, “never oppose our ideology, always give us praise and think like us”. It’s very easy to get censored here. I would not recommend Lemmy to anyone.
Don’t tell me this shit is federated. Any instance that doesn’t follow this particular ideology gets delisted and blocked. That’s not true federation, it’s load balancing wokeness. It’s the same top-down ideological imposition that you find in Reddit today. This is why I say that Lemmy has no potential for growth, it is a niche collection of sites for transexuality and cuckoldry, which wont appeal to wider society.
Oh I see. So you wrote a 2nd comment and that got deleted?
But It is federated. You joined a “woke” network of federal servers. There are alternative Networks. The USA is federated. Germany is federated. That doesn’t make France part of Germany nor the USA; nor is Germany part of the USA. Maybe you could write me a dm if you really want to let me know your thoughts.
Anyway based on your usage of the word “wokeness” and other things that you have expressed, I am fairly certain that you are in the wrong network if you don’t want to be exposed to mods with the opinion that your position is plain hateful and harmful. I don’t think lemmy as a software is at fault here.