The ability to change features, prices, and availability of things you’ve already paid for is a powerful temptation to corporations.

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      Once again with the strawman.

      Intellectual property is not a thought that you own. It’s an idea or digital creation. Something that actually takes time to make, often a whole lot of time. Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.

      I love how you guys play these mental gymnastics to justify this shit to yourselves.

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        You seem to not understand what the word own means and the difference between material and not material goods.

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            I have a thing and than someone takes it away, so I can’t use it anymore. If somebody copies that thing - it’s not really theft.

            My point is more - concepts from physical world don’t nessessary apply to digital world.

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              It just seems that what you are saying is that people shouldn’t be paid if their work doesn’t create something physical.

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                Nope, that’s not what I’m saying. I just make a difference between copying, stealing, physical goods, digital goods and immaterial things. They are not the same.

                Easy examples: original and copy does not really apply to digital works or two people on opposite sides of world can have the same thought but not have the same physical object at the same time, etc.

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                  Please name for me something someone could create on a computer, that you would agree they should be paid for; even if they show a demonstration copy to someone.

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                    What ever they can find someone to pay for. I my self pay or use legally free software for my work. I just do t think that if someone pirates a copy of adobe cs it’s equivalent to theft of a physical good. Completely ok in my book for private use a bit shady for commercial use - but adobe subscription model is shady in my book anyway.

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              If somebody copies that thing - it’s not really theft.

              Yes, it absolutely is, by any standard. Ask the dictionary, ask the law, ask literally any authority on literacy and they all come up with the same verdict.

              You’re just lying to yourself to justify doing whatever you want.

              If you want to argue when piracy is and is not ethical, that is a different discussion we can have, and we’d likely largely agree. But saying that anything that is digital doesn’t belong to anyone is pure nonsense.

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                You say “ask the dictionary” — multiple dictionary definitions as well as Wikipedia say that theft requires the intent to deprive the original owner of the property in question, which obviously doesn’t apply to copyright infringement of digital works.

                You say “ask the law” — copyright infringement is not stealing, they are literally two completely different statutes, at least in the US.

                So, what the hell are you talking about? Copyright infringement is not theft.

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                  multiple dictionary definitions as well as Wikipedia say that theft requires the intent to deprive the original owner of the property in question

                  Like many words, “theft” has several different definitions, that being one of them.

                  copyright infringement is not stealing

                  Congratulations, that’s the 4th strawman in this thread. No one is talking about copyrights.

                  So what the hell are you talking about?

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                    My brother/sister in Christ, everyone in this discussion is talking about copyright infringement. That is the actual legal name for what we colloquially refer to as “piracy,” according to, you know, the law, which you previously referenced as something we should look to.

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        I love how you guys play these mental gymnastics to justify this shit to yourselves.

        I love how you bootlickers always deny that anyone could possibly have a principled objection to modern intellectual property laws. I don’t need to “justify” at all. I rarely even pirate anything, but I don’t believe I’m doing anything wrong when I do.

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          I love how you bootlickers always deny that anyone could possibly have a principled objection to modern intellectual property laws.

          Wow look that’s 3 strawman in a row, you guys are exceptional at fabricating fictional arguments to tear down.

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            If you’re going to use that word you should at least know what it means so you don’t sound stupid.

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        “Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.”

        Just telling on yourself 😂