The Biden administration on Monday sent Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s war effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders and also released publicly, Office of Management and Budget Director Shalanda Young warned the U.S. will run out of funding to send weapons and assistance to Ukraine by the end of the year, saying that would “kneecap” Ukraine on the battlefield.
She added that the U.S. already has run out of money that it has used to prop up Ukraine’s economy, and “if Ukraine’s economy collapses, they will not be able to keep fighting, full stop.”
We can start by stopping aid to Israel. They have enough wealth to fund their own genocides.
They have a fucking Intel fab.
I’ll admit, I had this thought earlier about why do they even need our money? I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this. Mostly leveling the entirety of Gaza so that they can take it over. So the US is not only paying for genocide, we’re also paying for a construction project basically.
Maybe someone who knows can chime in but what is the money for? Is it for more weapons similar to Ukraine? Are we trying to profit off of a genocide?
A lot of it isn’t actually money. The US keeps a massive stockpile of weapons and equipment in storage in Isreal. The government hands over the keys to a few trucks and some parts, then writes it off as $X value in military hardware.
That’s what I was afraid of. It’s one thing to give aid to a genocidal nation, it’s a complete other thing for you to supply them with bombs and ammo and try to make a dollar off of it. It’s all so disgusting.
We aren’t giving them actual cash. Israel is an excuse to fund the local Military Industrial Complex. Money goes to MIC and their lobbyists, weapons go to Israel.
I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this
Israel has around 2500 total casualties. Most deaths are lumped from the initial attack (around 1200). Approximately 400 soldiers have been killed, the rest are wounded.
Israel has been involved in several wars against multiple other nations - for example, in the 1973 Yom Kippur war, it was invaded by Egypt, Syria, and a coalition that included Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Cuba, Jordan, etc.
Israel is located at a fairly strategic location. Britain and France used Israel during the Suez crisis to stage an attack against Egypt over control of the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal is one of the most important global trade routes.
US support of Israel is a combination of funding American arms dealers and wanting Israel as a strategicly located partner. That’s why we fought proxy wars with the soviet union over it like the Yom Kippur war. The aid is intended not to fight Hamas, but to keep Israel strong against e.g. Iran and other neighbors. They’ve had peace with Egypt for decades, but that might be more because of Israel being strong enough to not be worth attacking.
I doubt Biden personally supports the Gaza war, but a lot of this stuff is more about realpolitik and strategic concerns than anything else.
Sounds like Intel is a good pressure target #bdsmovement
People tried to boycott Israel-made products and then realized there are far too many of them.
More like people tried to boycott Israel and the US (land of the free) made it illegal.
I’ve successfully boycotted Israel (I’m broke and I’m not buying anything)
It’s embarrassing we haven’t yet gotten a military/Ukraine funding bill through two months ago.
What’s embarrassing is the sunk-cost fallacy people are applying to Ukraine.
It seems most people on these forums legitimately believed Ukraine would blaze past Russia in their counteroffensive after getting Western weapons. When that didn’t happen, nobody came out and said “we were wrong.” It’s just doubling-down, lol.
It’s sad how many people legitimately believe the outcome of this war is already decided in Ukraine’s favor. Just shows how effective propaganda is at making people believe fantasies.
The outcome is still very much undecided, which is why it’s so important that we give Ukraine all the aid we can
The moment people realised Ukraine didn’t get immediately steamrolled pretty much everyone who does war analysis profesionaly that I saw were saying this would be a pretty long war that could go either way
That’s fair, all of them thought Ukraine would get wrecked and now they’re saying Ukraine doesn’t have a chance.
The less the outcome is already decided, the more I support giving them money.
I think it’s weird you’d find the opposite to be true.
I think it’s weird you’d find the opposite to be true.
Probably because you don’t understand the sunk-cost fallacy.
It’s already been explained that this is not a sunk-cost situation. The US hasn’t even given very much to Ukraine, in terms of total military expenditure
people think that prolonging this war regardless of the human sufferings in Ukraine is fine as long as it is not good for Russia.
A ceasefire and truce would save countless Ukrainian lives. But obviously it’s not very cool - fighting to the last man and woman Hitler style is cool and fun to cheer on from far away.
The Republicans were always Putins best friends in the US. Trumps admiration for dictators didn’t help it either.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration on Monday sent Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s war effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders and also released publicly, Office of Management and Budget Director Shalanda Young warned the U.S. will run out of funding to send weapons and assistance to Ukraine by the end of the year, saying that would “kneecap” Ukraine on the battlefield.
Biden has sought a nearly $106 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and other needs, but it has faced a difficult reception on Capitol Hill, where there is growing skepticism about the magnitude of assistance for Ukraine and where even Republicans supportive of the funding are insisting on U.S.-Mexico border policy changes to halt the flow of migrants as a condition for the assistance.
The Biden administration has said it has slowed the pace of some military assistance to Kyiv in recent weeks to try to stretch supplies until Congress approves more funding.
The letter followed a classified Capitol Hill briefing on Nov. 29 for the top House and Senate leaders on the need for the assistance.
Defense and other national security officials briefed the “big four” congressional leaders as Congress is debating President Joe Biden’s nearly $106 billion funding package, which includes $61 billion for Ukraine but has become snared by Republican demands for U.S.-Mexico border security changes.
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Classic US. Overspends and forces a debt they will not end up paying. Instead, the US will probably end up with several land/mining rights from Ukraine and maybe Russia, since they won’t be able to pay either.
Hmm Russia’s got oil. We like oil.
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One more billion should do it.
again I contemplate renouncing my US citizenship in order to not contribute financially to any of this
Can I have it? The 142 year waitlist for my green card has been less than easy.
yea sure
Hey I’ve got an idea, let’s drag the Ukraine war out another 2 decades and see how much death and destruction that can continue to fester.
I’m sure it won’t lead to millions of angry, broken men who will never be able to feel integrate with society and cause a spiraling of violence and crime throughout Europe and the world reverberating for decades into the future.
Oh, and drug use and homelessness. Almost forgot about that, silly me.
Well, we could end this horror-show tomorrow by turning Moscow into a sheet of glass.
Let’s call Vlad Puta’s bluff and see how many of his 50 year old ICBM’s even make it out of their silos, much less to a target. They are widely thought to be ill-maintained, looted by a very active military black market, and old as shit. Add to that our space and air defense spending, and I’m betting the only country that would experience any Russian radiation would be Russia.
actively calling for nuclear war because you are not entertained by the ongoing war - very cool.
Defending Russia because you are entertained by children, elderly and non-combatants being tortured, raped and murdered - very cool.
where did I defend Russia. Also if you think Ukraine and USA don’t torture, rape and murder innocent civilians I don’t know what to tell you.
And where did I mention being entertained or not by a war? Yet you pretended I was calling for an attack on Russia for my own entertainment.
Your post history defends Putin over and over again, so you can fuck smooth off with that fake, smug conservative bullshit. I am not fooled by your insincere, bad faith troll arguments, blyat.
oh I’m so sorry I tried to fool a wise intelligent person like yourself.
I’ll go back to Russia since you have outed me so badly, also thanks for typing that Russian word - a language I obviously know.
No problem. Always happy to help.
LOL what happened to all the articles saying Russia was Donezo two year ago? America is Donezo.
Just a generation getting first-hand experience with being manipulated by propaganda.
You know who wants more weapons for Ukraine? Those profiting off of the military-industrial complex.
Probably also the country of Ukraine, our ally that was invaded by Russia.
If you are an ally of US or NATO in general, the conflict in Ukraine is probably a rude awakening as to what you can expect if you get into a conflict.
What? Had Ukraine been in NATO this would’ve been a full blown war with boots on the ground from the entirety of NATO, not just weapon deliveries. And Russia would’ve been completely unable to advance. NATO would have complete air superiority inside the first month, any visible Russian base within or near Ukraine would be decimated and their only course of action would be fortifying positions in cities among the civilian population. Trying to fight a regular war would just end up in a decisive defeat within months. It would be very similar to Desert Storm. Advancing to and clearing fortified cities would of course prove a challenge even with NATO fully involved, and I fully expect that Russia would go all in on guerilla tactics in that case.
If Ukraine had already been part of NATO, Russia would never have attacked as that would have immediately triggered article 5 and there would be B-2 bombers circling the Kremlin.
Precisely
Oh it would have been worse than desert storm
A mutiny force almost took Moscow just a while ago. NATO would be making jokes about reuniting Ukraine with Raspberry Ukraine, Grey Ukraine, Yellow Ukraine, and Green Ukraine just to let China worry about a NATO state on its borders to make its problems with the First Island Chain even worse
That’s absolutely great for NATO members, but not for allies which I outlined above. Being a reliable ally is paramount to maintain soft power… given how Ukraine is turning out, if I were say the Philippines, I’d be really concerned about the US support in a potential conflict with China.
… Of course NATO only truly protects members. That is part of their charter. Anyone can Google that in 5 minutes. Support for Ukraine happens because EU and US are concerned about Russian aggression and expansion towards the West. Had they invaded say Mongolia or one of the Stans then I’d be very surprised if NATO / the EU provided anything but humanitarian support. The sanctions would probably happen still though.
If you don’t know what soft power is, you could give yourself a favour and try googling it. No matter how you spin it, a lot of countries attempting to resist China (and Russia or Iran) will start wondering after this absolute struggle of a support.
Thing is Ukraine doesn’t have a defense pact with the US. The US is doing this out of (insert any number of reasons ranging from stability in the region, strengthening ties, propping up military manufacturers etc).
The Philippines have had a defense pact with the US since 1951 and basically means if things can’t be resolved diplomatically the US will commit not just arms but fighting forces to the joint defense of the nation.
To quote Wikipedia - ‘In a 2022 meeting, US Vice-President Kamala Harris reportedly assured Philippine president Bongbong Marcos that “an armed attack on the Philippines armed forces, public vessels, or aircraft in the South China Sea would invoke US Mutual Defense commitments.”’
That is how a defensive alliance works, yes
I guess Ukrainians can blame themselves for not being able to reach NATO’s standards in time.
Those profiting off of corruption literally sold out the entire country.
Ukraine wasn’t able to join NATO as Russia has been occupying Crimea and portions of Donbas since their first invasion in 2014.
Those profiting off of corruption literally sold out the entire country.
Ever since Maiden (also in 2014), Ukraine has been actively cleaning up their government. You see articles fairly often of the ongoing anti-corruption activities in Ukraine. As proof of this, the BBC ran and article this year of Ukraine removing military officials who were taking bribes.
Wtf are you talking about? Putin said Kyiv would fall in 48 hours or something like that. Instead his country is hemorrhaging money and fighting-aged men, Russia controls only slightly more territory than it did before the invasion.
And that’s with neither NATO nor the US in a hot war with Russia. If we were, circumstances would be very different and the only thing flying in Russian airspace would be snow.
Putin said Kyiv would fall in 48 hours or something like that.
Source? This seems like one of those lies told often enough it becomes true.
Not 2 days, but Putin did claim 2 weeks: Putin Boasts of Being Able to Take Kiev in 2 Weeks
I did search and found multiple sources saying two days. I don’t speak Russian so I have to take the journalists’ word for it. He says now if the west stopped backing Ukraine, it would be over in a week.
After which we all know he will move on to Poland and the rest of Europe.
Yes, because he has also literally said they would knock over Poland. And by they, Russian elites not necessarily putin. His essay was telling however.
You mean that even them just providing aid will be enough for you to stalemate a self proclaimed superpower and then push back against them and launch direct attacks against them?
I agree, this war is a big signpost for smaller nations who share borders with large neighbors known for considering themselves superpowers while also boo-hooing themselves as le-opressed global south for internet privs to stan for because Lebensraum and Irredentism are cool when something something colonialism.
When Ethiopia invades Eritrea or Eastern Somalia, these types will flock to defend them against any accusation of wrongdoing because “but self governance and sovereignty over your own ports is colonialism!”
