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At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.
I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.
Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.
Gaming on Linux is pretty legit now. I don’t even boot into windows very often. In recent memory, only one AAA game didn’t work out of the box for me that required booting into windows.
No joke, most of my games work better on Linux because of proton than my Windows box. Such a nice experience.
Same here. Linux just need rolling gameplay recording and better controller support (steering wheels for one) and for me it’d be set. I know Decky has it for the Steam Deck but I haven’t seen one for desktop that works fine on Wayland.
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Used it before but not for rolling recordings. I heard it can be janky with hotkeys on Wayland, but I’ll have to give it a shot.
Have a rather „expensive“ sim racing rig and would love to switch over to Linux again. But it’s simply a niche in a niche so I don’t expect any surprises in the near future. Too bad
Yeah, sim racing is very much left out in the Linux world, if not pretty janky. Virtual reality isn’t doing too hot here either, Valve just announced Steam Link for the Oculus headsets, and right now it’s Windows only.
TBF I haven’t actually tried Asetto Corsa with my steering wheel, or XPlane with my VR headset on Linux yet I just assumed it wouldn’t work. As soon as they do, I can’t wait to shitcan Windows forever.
I’ve tried Euro Truck Sim 2 with my G29, which was built for PlayStation but can work on PC with drivers on both Windows and Linux. On Linux, PS4 mode doesn’t work on Linux, but PS3 mode does - the main thing is you lose the speed indicators on your wheel, if you really want them speed lights you’ll have to go Windows and install G HUB.
Some say PS3 mode disables clutch support since that was the case when using it on a PS3 but IDK if this is the case on PC and specifically Linux. Cursory search points towards no.
Highly recommend this feels exactly like I still have shadowplay with no performance loss.
So far black desert online is the only game that I’ve wanted to play that I can’t on Linux (eac is awful). I know there are others, but it’s mainly fps games that bother with windows-only eac and I don’t play fps games all that much. Battlebit is probably the only fps I’ve been playing in the past few months, and they use/will be using a linux-compatible eac version which I’m jazzed about
Actually, EAC has a Proton-compatible build, the devs just have to use it. It’s not a hard switch, they just have to choose to allow Linux compatibility, which most devs (well, really it’s probably an exec level decision) do not.
Really sucks because older games will likely never get this. Looking at ones like Ghost Recon Wildlands. I do not care for the newer release but was excited to play Wildlands with my brother from my Steam Deck.
Game loaded just fine into the world and then I got kicked within a few seconds with a EAC error.
In black desert’s case, there’s no chance they would ever allow anyone to play without a kernel anti cheat, which EAC doesn’t allow on linux. The game is literally all grind, if bots could run on linux it would absolutely ravage the already shit economy.
it doesnt seem to be that way, https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/easy-anti-cheat-not-as-simple-as-expected-for-proton-and-steam-deck/
That’s unfortunate, but not surprising. I can’t exactly expect Epic to port the wine compatible version to the old release, so it makes sense.
From the controversy around battlebit using eac, apparently the eac version that is just a checkmark for proton/Linux support is not a drop in replacement for the regular one that is more popular. The one with that option would require a lot of refactoring code, and doesn’t have all of the features of the main eac unfortunately.
I only ever boot Windows for VR. That’s it
I gave up on trying BattleBit for free on Ubuntu 22.04 this weekend, no Proton or GE-Proton version would run that motherfucker.
I didn’t feel like booting Windows.
Modding can be an issue though.
Btw, does Wallabag work now on Linux?
And i don’t get Reshade since 5.* to work in wine/proton anymore?
I have never ever seen this on my windows install.
I’ve never once seen this, is it W11?
I’m on W11 and have never seen an ad in the OS.
I suspect they allowed notifications from some application. When I installed 11 I did it with the offline/local account login instead of the Microsoft account and skipped activation with all optional “features” disabled, then on first login immediately installed Firefox as default, and then disabled telemetry, tracking, targeted ads, location settings, updates, Defender, crash reporting, phoning home, and all unused devices and services that are turned on by default that I don’t use. It’s a shame those are the defaults but I have no complaints about Windows performance after that.
But I finally got speedy with i3 keyboard shortcuts and my games all work great on Linux (perfunctory “btw I use Arch”), so now the only use I have for Windows is in VirtualBox to run ShareMouse until I can find a linux <-> macos KVM alternative that doesn’t require sudo on macos (rip input-leap).
I think it’s much more agressive in some territories. I’m in Europe an I never saw it either.
Otoh, I don’t boot windows very often, maybe once a month.
Just disable everything I don’t get this on my pc
Me either. Not that I’m advocating this BS practice!
I’m also surprised that people see this kind of ads: I haven’t seen any since I removed Outlook free (after Windows prompted me to switch because the older UWP Mail app was being retired). I’m always surprised when people complain about the number of ads they get in Windows.
But that’s not the point: the point is no paid software should contain any ad.
Not that I condone that notification, as I equally hate it too, but if you right-click it, you can tell Windows to never show those notifications ever again. I haven’t gotten one since doing that.
It’s still shitty, nonetheless, and I still fucking hate Windows. Only use it because I have to for work and gaming, for the most part.
Yeah. I was literally just talking about how my SteamDeck is going to let me retire my remaining Windows PC. And by retire it, I mean install Linux, and continue to enjoy it.
If you can’t even find the option to disable suggestions, can you even call yourself a computer expert?
No, but you can call yourself a gamer.
I much prefer Windows to MacOS. The fact it is missing decent tiling is a nonstarter. It’s too inflexible for my workflow.
And sure, Windows can be maddeningly inconsistent, but what really destroys the experience is the constant ensh*ttification. I know a lot of people here hate everything about Windows, but for me, it only sucks because Microsoft designs it to suck.
Not only are there ads and (some) first party lockin, I cannot trust they will continue offering updates, paywall feaures, restrict more functionality, or insert stuff like AI to mess up my workflow.
I used to think reliability was just about stability and bugginess, but now I think it is about trust as well.
I use Amethyst on Mac for tiling: https://ianyh.com/amethyst/.
Not sure if that’s what you meant though.
Yabai works pretty well even with SIP enabled and there’s a new one called AeroSpace that’s in the works.
Thanks for the tip, aerospace looks to be exactly what I’ve been looking for for a long time #-#
Looks nice, I’ll check it out if I have to use Mac OS again.
Let’s hope you don’t
Another good one is Magnet. Its weakness is that the tiling is manual, but once you internalize the keybindings, it’s good enough. And because it’s manual, it doesn’t screw up your windows like all the others seem to (for me at least).
Sway on Linux beats all of them hands down, though.
Is that so? I’ve been wanting to try a tilling manager for Linux, thanks for the recommend!
If you must use X11 for some reason, i3 is the OG. Sway is Wayland. But yeah, I think those two are pretty much perfection.
I’m searching for some document on my work PC and I see ads in my start menu, like what the fuck?
Can somebody exploit that already so they get rid of it
macOS 15 will have tiling. At last lol
I don’t understand when people say macOS is inflexible, I find it incredibly flexible, stable and efficient.
Mac is worse than Windows
From the standpoint of linux that is true.
Linux distros aren’t unix. Common misconception. Mac OS is certified in fact.
There have been Linux distributions certified as Unix in the past.
When people say “Unix”, they usually could care less about certification.
I’d still say that BSDs are Unix and Linux isn’t due to, say, kernels of Solaris and FreeBSD having some traces of similar architecture, while Linux is a completely different thing.
Mainly because Windows has more support. Software availability is the biggest draw to Windows. I would quite happily drop it in a heartbeat if Linux came close.
MacOS has no proper UI scaling for example. Something windows had for… I don’t know, ever? It was never an issue for me.
For MacOS you need a little extra tool you stumble upon after hours of debugging that teels your MacOS what resolutions your display actually supports so MacOS grants you the option of your desired HiDPI resolution.
It’s stuff like this that drives me mad when dealing with the fucking Mac I am forced to use at work.
There is always going to be pros and cons when it comes to UI. Since Mac comes with a set size monitor, I can understand why there is little support for it. Although, as someone who needs PC glasses, it is a big remiss to not cater for disabilities.
As in my other comment, the display menu in settings has options titled more/less space which increase or decrease the size of text and windows on screen, this is accounted for.
These features are for consistent stability. The more space/less space option under display is more than enough for most use cases.
So trash UI scaling is a feature? Try changing your display to a non-HiDPI one. Does this look good to you?
I’ve connected my Mac to 4k and 1440p displays and had no issues, in fact it was a pleasant experience.
“I’ve had no issues therefore the issue doesn’t exist.”
Well no I mean I’ve tried the exact issue you were complaining about and it looked great
As both a MacOS and Linux user I agree with myself on the regular that Windows is shit.
I also wash my hands on the regular.
Great meme, very accurate.
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Sorry but as a Linux user I found that Windows is better than macos. Macos doesn’t even have proper window management.
My experience is the same, but still it’s a Unix-like system. People who fear Linux may do Unix-like things with it. It’s worth something.
Linux is unix-like, macOS is certified unix.
Certification is irrelevant really. There are Linux distribution releases which have been certified, just like MacOS.
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It would appear then that no MacOS before 14.0 Sonoma is a certified Unix. Which is obviously false. Which means that your implication that this page lists everything certified is wrong.
I said “releases”, because these were specific versions a few years ago. Perhaps nothing relevant today was certified, still what I remember is not that different from the mundane Red Hat of the same year.
Which is all useless talk cause when we say Unix as something important, we mean “genetic Unix”, as in something of being derived from the same code base, culture, philosophy, etc, not “legal Unix” as a trademark, because that’s not the only cool-looking word one can imagine to name an OS.
So obviously BSDs are real Unix then, Linux is something weird and MacOS is bullshit.
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it’s really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn’t all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms,
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew
You can’t do much without a package manager under Linux either.
Homebrew, macports, pkgsrc etc are all just ports collections, like the FreeBSD one. A pretty Unixy kind of thing to use, more so than apt or yum.
I hate Apple GUI, but technically it’s almost as good as Linux to use.
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
You don’t understand what I mean.
I mean that you can’t really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e.
/Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
You can do plenty with the default tools, if you know how to use them. Does installing extra tools help? Yes however you’ll find a similar experience on Linux.
You don’t understand what I mean.
Well, you haven’t been very specific with your language.
All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.
It’s been some time since I touched MacOS, but there is a CLI tool for editing those preferences. Not unlike gconf. Actually gconf is apparently inspired by that and the Windows registry you so conveniently mentioned.
Not that I’m a fan, quite the opposite.
MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
“Unix principles” is the same as “Unix philosophy”, while you apparently mean Linux FHS. Yes, it’s understandably ignored. Yes, maybe it shouldn’t be.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
Well, see, comparing FreeBSD to Linux with its development path, for example, you might feel as if Linux was slowly moving in that direction as well. Linux users usually laugh at that sentiment and say that it’s evolution. So - MacOS too has what its developers considered evolution from what Linux/FreeBSD/… have.
Ah, also X11 is not that integral and traditional for Unix, if you imply that as well. Sun had its SunView in the olden days. There were other windowing systems.
To add with Linux being unix-like not certified unix, macOS doesn’t need to implement anything in Linux fhs style.
So it’s exactly perfect unix with the caveat of having to add a CLI package manager instead of it being bundled with one. Small tradeoff.
Arguably Arch Linux also lacks proper Window management. The idea of macOS is to give you a solid base which is stable, functional and looks good. Then you can add your own window management type on top whether you want a Windows style one like magnet or a tiling one like amethyst.
Missing the third hand for Windows users
Mac users are at the sink right next to them also washing their hands. We don’t talk about the nasty things Linux users do with their hands.
Are Mac users compatible with normal sinks and water or do they need an adapter?
Apple will happily sell you a MagSafe dongle to dangle in the sink beside your neighbor.
Adapter, unless the EU forced them to change that.
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All those filthy command line arguments <3
Yeah seriously. I don’t show anyone my bash history. That’s nastay.
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Windows > macos
I thought this until I actually tried windows, it just doesn’t work right ever and feels so weird and old. I wouldn’t use macos, but it’s fine, it feels competently made and for the most part makes sense.
Yes, Windows feels old but at least is usable (10 was more usable that 11 in my opinion). MacOS feels very janky to me and you have to jump to various hoops to do basic things
All Apple products are designed for people who don’t use technology.
They hide the useful bits so people don’t hurt themselves.
It’s the Duplo of computing.
What a ridiculously ignorant position to have. Do you even know how common it is for developers to run macOS?
You’re aware that there’s Unix underneath the pretty polish as well, right?
It is true though, developers use macs because they give you a useful unixy environment but Apple do try to keep that hidden because the people they actually market the devices to are the casual users. I find myself constantly fighting with macOS because it has decided that things must be done The Apple Way and I have to go to the forums to find out where they’re hiding the features. Obviously I’m not going to use Windows for a dev environment (I’m not a masochist), but it’s a shame that most companies can’t be bothered supporting a Linux desktop environment.
It’s not true in the slightest. Terminal is an app that comes on every Mac and is shown in the Launchpad and Applications folders. It’s not hidden at all.
It’s not finding the terminal, it’s finding that you need to install xcode separately to configure or run things, or install brew for a proper package manager, or install third party tools to do basic actions like move windows around with keyboard shortcuts. It’s the “our way or the highway” attitude which drives a lot of how they design their software.
I work in IT and i’d wager that 95+% of MacOS users don’t know how to find their Library folder or how to view other hidden directories. Keychain Access is also an unnecessarily convoluted system to use as a desktop password manager. The System Settings layout is also not intuitive (not that System Preferences was much better). And although MacOS is a *nix system, there have been plenty of times where I’ve had to Google certain commands to fix things that are different than on Linux.
I think the recent line of MacBook Pros (M1 and onward) clearly have a focus on the professional segment - stopping the focus on very thin computers, touch bars instead of function keys and USB C ports only.
There’s definitely a disconnect between hardware and software. I quite like the hardware and like you say it’s definitely appropriate for the serious user. The OS that updates, changes my settings, and shouts about new emoji reaction features? Not so much!
I personally love those features as a developer, I don’t need every type of port pretty much just one would be enough in a perfect world we would use wireless to interface all peripherals and media items like cameras
Windows for Dev is very common actually. And not just for .Net based stuff. Many devs that I know work on Windows. I used all three OS for Dev and I don’t know why Windows is always listed as a nightmare. Maybe fifteen years ago but not now.
Is that since the rise of WSL?
They actually heavily target Developers with MacBook Pro, they even have a whole conference every year dedicated to developers.
Also I think fighting with macOS is the problem, there are a few walled off things however it’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
I don’t mean this in an accusatory way, but did you create your account just to talk up macs? I know some people really love them, but plenty of people have serious issues with Apple’s entire philosophy. The “our way or the highway” idea is great if you want to do everything their way but when that way doesn’t work for what you want to do then that’s what rubs people the wrong way.
Tell me you’ve never used a Mac before without telling me.
#iPhonesAreForBoomers
I live with four other people. The two of us over 40 use Android and the others use iOS.
To me it’s MacOS that feels weird.
Extracting archives on Windows… LOL
I havent done that on Win11 though
I’m surprised you have more upvotes than downvotes, but yeah, this is a comment that I would expect to get lots and lots of votes.
Agreed.
Yup, it is simply so lost and uncontrolled that I could totally live in it and replace the garbage software with something else.
I cant wait to fully abandon windows with my next tower (Already on Linux with my deck) but MacOS is FAR MORE cancer than M$, part of the issue with M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple
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Damn, a lot of you apparently want a mega corp have complete control over what what your operating system looks like/does/what accessories you can buy for it if you think Apple is in anyway better than Microsoft. I thought the whole point of jumping to linux was freedom, you have LESS freedom with macs than with PC’s
M$ is it keeps trying to be more and more like Apple
Apple has adverts in macos somehow, but I’m not sure what it means since I’ve never seen ads in there. Perhaps they’re in app store or safari or something, but I don’t use either, so I don’t know.
Windows on the other hand pumps ads on you right at first boot on desktop. I’m sure it’s possible to turn them off somehow, but I usually choose to turn them off by installing Linux.
I find I have plenty of freedom on a Mac
Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.
And have actual control over the OS.
Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.
Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.
Apple: “Sorry but your hardware seems to be out of date with our OS! Please buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth 1000!”
Me: “But it still runs?”
Apple: “Does it, though?”
Me: “Well not anymore… Thanks.”
Not to defend Apple, but doesn’t windows 11 demand you buy new hardware for it to be installed? Something about a TPM?
Does Windows still allow your applications to function update after update if you decide to stick with Windows 10? Yes. Can you just stay on W10 and expect things to keep working? Also yes.
I don’t have to worry about the newest version of Adobe Premiere not being compatible with this older version of iOS, oops now our promo team and our production team aren’t able to share their files because one bought newer Macs and now has an upgraded version of Adobe that Catalina doesn’t support unless you also buy new machines that are allowed to update through to Monterey.
Apple is fine for home use, but as someone who works operations side IT and has to constantly perform network workarounds to get their equipment functional in a commercial environment, fuck Apple and their “We did the thinking for you uwu™️” nonsense.
And OMG, Apples business support is absolute horse shit
Device management? Good fucking luck. Setting up iOS device management is by far the most painful, migraine inducing, poorly thought out, full of the most asinine restrictions process I’ve ever seen in my life.
Setting up Oracle on-prem software is a cake walk compared to Apples shit.
Windows is a business OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with business (poorly executed) “features”
Apple: “It just works!*”
*As long as it’s not a business feature
Yeah you need an Intel 8th gen or a ryzen processor in order to use it without a workaround. Something from the last 6 years.
You don’t need 8th Gen. It’s just that 7th gen specifically doesn’t work. I’m pretty sure older Intel chips are fine. TPM isn’t on your CPU.
Correct, I was trying to keep it simple but yes more specifically you need a TPM 2.0 capable system
They update Macs for a good 8 years or so, which isn’t that bad really. Then you can often just install newer versions with community tools after that.
Edit: I haven’t had one in a few years, apparently that’s not quite true recently as they’re trying to drop x86 support and move everything to ARM
That’s more of an architecture shift as opposed to we don’t support it because fuck you, also Rosetta means most x86 Mac apps will be able to run on the m-series chips.
I’ve seen MacBook’s last for 8+ years and remain performant.
What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.
Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.
Yeah I think most people have experienced an iPad or iPhone but not a Mac so they assume it’s the same walled garden. What they don’t realise is Mac has been a solid choice for power users, developers and creators of all varieties for over 10 years, this means the community and app selection is honestly ridiculously good.
This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It’s good that people that like it can use it. It’s bad that I don’t have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn’t that it lacks Unix features, it’s everything else.
The only place I’ve ever seen ads on my MacBook is in the App Store, the iCloud section of settings and on Apple’s website, all of which it makes sense for the adverts to exist. Oh wait I may have seen one as a precursor to a YouTube video but sans ad-blocker that is standing regards of OS.
in my opinion:
software: mac/osx >> windows
community/environment: windows/microsoft >> mac/apple
if we’re solely talking about how good the os is, i would have to say mac. but considering everything else, i would prefer windows
I have to use all three what does that make me
Cuck?
Got a little laugh from me, ngl lol.
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Linux > windows 10 > Windows 11 > MacOS is my experience, I just can’t stand apple and their walled gardens. I hate that they try to force me to use their shitty cloud and prevent me from installing third party apps. Windows 11 hhurts my eyes. And as a W10 refugee that’s gotten used to linux, I think its tolarable
The walled garden makes sense on the phone, but I’m not clear what you’re thinking of for macOS
I just went to videolan.org and libreoffice.org over Thanksgiving to download and install them on my cousin’s MacBook
I have to click through ten million pop ups to have macOS “trust” it. It makes me hate myself
Still usually less clicks than most windows installers though. (Personally I hate all 3 OS’s more or less equally)
Actually no. Not really. Also there is no more braindead argument than “I hate all of x equally”. Form a real fucking opinion
There’s no opinion to form. They all suck absolute donkey balls in their own unique ways.
That’s true and annoying. There is a terminal command to disable all that though
oh I would love to learn what that command is
sudo spctl --master-disableand/or--global-disable
I’m an Android fan, but I do like the walled garden for iPhones. There are so many people who just do not understand how to protect their privacy online, and phones are a treasure trove of personal information. I’ve no doubt that the tight controls on iOS have saved many people from identity theft due to their own negligence. That, combined with the ease of use and the superior accessibility features over Android makes iPhone the better choice for older generations who don’t understand technology as well.
The problem is that you are trusting Apple completely.
I’m not trusting Apple at all, I exclusively use degoogled Android.
Me too
I would agree that a reasonably locked down device helps certain audiences stay secure, but to me that always sounds like a convenient excuse. Surely they could at least implement some way to regain control, even if that meant having to unlock the boot-loader and flashing the device, which is not something your average person would/could do.
In my experience, win 8.1 < win 10: less CPU and ram hogging, less telemetry, and overall less frustration. Although, yeah, you’d have to replace metro crap with something less tablet-oriented.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
wait, server edition on desktop?
Well, duh. Kinda funny how windows server is a better desktop windows than a regular windows. Basically, you get less candy_crush-like crap plus only security updates, as far as I remember. But yeah, there are different unnecessary features (unless you’re in the corporate environment, ofc)
Although, I’m not really sure nowadays since I haven’t used windows for a few years 😅
Honestly you can use a Mac perfectly well without ever signing into iCloud + you don’t get prompted to sign in ever really unless you click on a feature that requires iCloud like the iCloud tab in settings.
You can even use the apps like mail without ever signing into iCloud.
I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I’d rather give myself the bullet (which doesn’t mean much tbh). At least I can ameliorate Windows for my VMs (in case of apps not working on Wine) which makes it ok to use
I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to “Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded”
Maybe if you noticed a lot of developers run Mac then you’d see their technical opinions are usually worthwhile.
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Nah I was quite literally born with the name mac… Literally on my birth certificate that way.
I agree JS doesn’t require as much technical knowhow.
Gotta scrub off the .DS_Store
