Was really surprised to see the difference in fumbles.
- Tua: 3177 yards passing, 69.8%, 4 fumbles lost
- Allen: 2875 yards passing, 69.6%, 3 fumbles lost
14 turnovers versus 15 & 22 passing TDs vs 22 passing TDs
Let’s cherry pick some more
Winning covers up a lot of faults.
TBF the fumbles lost are more even. 2/3
The number don’t lie. Time to release Josh Allen and bring back Nathan Peterman.
All I see are two elite QBs that people love to hate on because the league has either shoved them down their throats or people don’t like to be proven wrong about being good or not. Chances are if you compare your QB against Tua or Josh they aren’t as good as them with a few exceptions to that.
Very good point.
That’s a good thing to point out - these days the hating/anti-fan energy (maybe because we’re all terminally online to some degree) is much stronger than I remember in past eras. For example, it feels like fans of other teams (that have nothing to do with the Bills) will hate on Josh Allen as much/more than I did Tom Brady.
…But Tom Brady made my team his bitch for the better part of two decades. So I’d like to think my hate was more justified.
for real
For example, it feels like fans of other teams (that have nothing to do with the Bills) will hate on Josh Allen as much/more than I did Tom Brady.
This is probably confirmation bias, like your take definitely is, but from my perspective, this is absolutely no fucking way in hell Josh Allen gets more hate than Tom Fucking Brady did from 31 other fanbases.
Agreed - I replied to someone else making that point re: confirmation bias which is definitely a part of it. Re-framing the sentiment I have slightly - with Brady I at least get it because, if for no other reason, people probably got sick of him. The Allen hate I don’t really get because (and yeah, definitely wearing the fan bias here) he seems like a nice enough chap and frankly hasn’t yet been shoved in everyone’s faces yet to really elicit the “Man, I’m fucking sick of this guy yet.”
I would say this is almost entirely down to a combination of you potentially having more nfl discourse online, which leads to more polarizing opinions. Then the bigger part is your own biases. Nothing wrong with it, Allen is your guy so you’re more likely to remember all the bad stuff said about him. I can promise you he is no where near actually being hated at the same level as Brady lol
For sure, I’d acknowledge it’s a bias thing to a degree. I should’ve phrased myself a bit better in my previous - what throws me off re: the Allen hate is like…he hasn’t done anything yet to really deserve it? Like with Brady, I mean when a guy is in that many Super Bowls and conference championship games, I totally get people getting sick of him.
And I just ignore the “he’s overrated” contingent because you don’t watch football if you think Allen is overrated.
Allen is better than Tua, so this isn’t surprising to me
You’re just saying that because of the 70 bomb.
Wow both of them are bad who knew
I’ll take some of Tua’s bad energy please
10 fumbles is wild
it’s mostly bad snaps
>Was really surprised to see the difference in fumbles.
i’m not. Any of our RBs not named Achane or Mostert will practically hand the ball over to the defense, and our center isn’t even a center, leading to wild throws to the QB that he inevitably fumbles.
It just shows you the power of narrative. I’ve heard Tua mentioned as a potential MVP while no one is saying that about Josh Allen and some are even calling him washed.
And not derail the thread, but a similar thing happens with Brock Purdy. He’s currently out performing some pretty good QBs (and handily) yet somehow some people are convinced he’s worse than all of them.
It’s weird.
Because many of Tua’s fumbles are because of bad snaps and other weird issues. For example yesterday he put the ball right in the chest of the 4th string rb and the guy dropped it. That fumble stat goes to Tua.
Don’t get me wrong he’s had some bone headed moments with poor ball security but ever fumble has definitely not been his fault
It seems like it takes a couple years before people will admit a low drafted QB is actually good. I bet by next year that narrative will be completely shifted and people will finally recognize Purdy as one of the best
Honestly I think if he beats the eagles next week the narrative will shift then
I mean hurts has similar turnover numbers and TD numbers and the front runner
Dolphins are in first place, the Bills are currently missing the playoffs. Players on successful teams always get more accolades.
Fair point.
We were hearing this about Josh Allen since he was drafted.
I mean. Bills might miss the playoffs and the Dolphins are winning the division.
taps sign Wins are not a QB stat
It’s because people haven’t seen his interceptions. Most have been when a drive is gonna die anyway and he’s throwing an arm punt
Also he has 5 interceptions that aren’t his fault at all
Despite having one of the lowest turnover worthy throw rates people say he is turnover prone
Our game against y’all from last year isn’t helping the narrative, either. Fumble on his own goal line late in the 4th and an INT in the end zone in overtime. I think that’s sticking in people’s memories.
Now do how many fumbles were bad snaps
Not a great year to have Burrow and Tua as my QBs in fantasy
I feel your pain bruh
A good chunk of Tua’s fumbles are from snaps because Connor Williams is not a good snapper (great blocker however). A couple of other fumbles have also occurred on direct hand-offs that were given directly to the RBs but just never secured (I think those were attributed to Tua, but idk for sure). There was also a weird backwards pass on a bad play call against Carolina that went out of bounds for a loss.
Out of all the fumbles, I think about 2-3 were legit strip sacks, and one was a fumble on a QB run.
Many of the turnovers were in lower stakes games and moments while many of Allen’s are him pulling a Brett Favre and costing him games. Plus, we have been superior in running the ball. Fuck outta here trying to prop up Allen as unlucky. He’s a turnover god of a gunslinger. He’s not going to change.
Two good qbs
Using total fumbles is extremely disingenuous. Fumbles lost should be in your title.
Fumble recoveries are largely luck
Not on dropped snaps missed handoffs. Offensive predominantly recover those.
Also there is luck with interceptions as well but this isn’t including dropped interceptions. It’s using inconsistent metrics.
Fumbles lost are literally right below the title. You had to click on the title to get into the thread, actively ignore that the context you’re asking for is there and then make this comment.
Correct. I point that out. Fumbles lost should be in the title not in the comment section. The title is using inconsistent metrics to make a disingenuous point
It’s disingenuous to ask to read one more line of text?
The title is pushing an inconsistent narrative. They could have made the same point using fumbles lost. Or they could have made a point of turnover worthy plays which actually helps Allens case even more.