Google Chrome will limit ad blockers starting June 2024::The “Manifest V3” rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.

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    1 year ago

    To abuse a saying…

    Best time to be on Firefox? Yesterday.

    Second best? Today.

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      How long until Google starts paying sites to require chrome? The already tried rolling that concept out a few months ago. They only stopped because of the backlash that was publicly associated with it. They already pay major phone manufacturers to have google as their default or only search option.

      So who’s going to stop them when we start finding that major popular sites suddenly don’t work on firefox?

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        People could start configuring their sites to ban Google Chrome. Give a scary message that says something like “Google Chrome is not allowed on this site for your protection. Google Chrome has severe vulnerabilities that allow for easy infection. An autistic teenager was falsely convicted of selling CP after being infected and now must register for life.”

        People would switch away from Google Chrome incredibly fast if website owners started posting that.

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          I like the way you think, but that sounds like a lawsuit with one of the richest companies on the planet behind the prosecution. Could work for sites based outside of US jurisdiction.

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            They can’t sue millions of people.

            It could also be made very hard for them to win. All someone has to do is make a site making that claim and their ability to win will be gone. Any defendant can claim they read that site.

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              They don’t sue millions of people. They sue one person and make an example out of them and the chilling effect does the rest. That’s how this kind of thing goes.

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                That’s only if everyone else complies.

                Plenty of organizations would likely jump in. Someone could make a site alleging the bad thing that happened as the result of Google Chrome and that pretty much tanks the entire case. It would be very hard to prove reckless disregard for the truth when there’s a website that alleges the claim. Furthermore, someone could simply write the code and distribute it, and every site displaying it would have grounds for displaying it.

                All someone really has to do is find one thing that could potentially be a vulnerability in Google Chrome and they have grounds for making a scary notice about it.

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        They won’t pay them it will be smarter than that. Possibly with proprietary APIs that only work on chrome etc. some sites already don’t work on Firefox.

        They’ll also further enshitifiy their own services on non chrome browsers.

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            I had no idea… didn’t that end up being canceled at some point or am I mistaken?

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              With something like that, it’s usually just rebranded and pushed out after backlash calms down.

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          I think there are more reliable ways to identify your browser. The user-agent is self reported, so not reliable. It’s just the simplest option that’s usually good enough unless you’re doing something malicious.

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        Sounds like they will create a non-corporate version of the internet by accident. Sound good to me, but I feel like it won’t fly in EU to well.

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      11 months ago

      I just can’t get used to Firefox. Last time I tried it (earlier this year), I tried for 2 months. Can’t remember all the reasons, but using the adresbar as calculator and see the results without pressing enter is so ingrained in my way of working. Just alt+d, 2+2 shows the result. Give me something better than that and I’ll give Firefox an other shot.

      Edit: lol at my downvotes. That’s what I get for asking a genuine question I guess. People really looove their Firefox here. (me too, but I’m missing some features)

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      I would love to see this happen but I suspect that the number of users who actually install ad blocker extensions and are willing to switch to a new browser once they stop working is fairly insignificant compared to the total numbers of people browsing in Chrome.

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        11 months ago

        Agree, i have rarely seen people who actually use adblock outside my work. I had to practically tie up my entire family, in-laws included to get ublock installed on all their computers.

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        11 months ago

        Weird do you have a screen shot you can share? they look fine to me.

        Could it be something withyour windows installation?

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          11 months ago

          Here is a picture that demonstrates the problem. On the left is Firefox and on the right Thorium (Chromium). I’ve had this problem on Windows before but now I’m using Linux and it’s the same unfortunately.

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              Using DuckDuckGo (Android), which is chromium-based, it has the same problem, all text weights are bolded at the maximum values.

              It looks like Firefox is trying to be more respectful of the text weights, when deciding how to bold text.

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            Here is a picture that demonstrates the problem. On the left is Firefox and on the right Thorium (Chromium).

            If I’m understanding that screenshot correctly, it looks like Thorium (Chromium) is ignoring the text values and bolding any of them at the max bolding value, where Firefox respects the text values and bolts off of that just slightly.

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        11 months ago

        It’s been forever since I last looked, but can’t you actually change what fonts are used from within Firefox directly?

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        11 months ago

        I did have a strange issue with that in the past, but not any more.

        I think it went away after going through the Windows ClearType gubbins again.

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    People keep saying (and corpos keep believing) that normies will just “get used to the ads or pay a premium”

    But everybody has a breaking point. People who already dislike it have left chrome or are in the rush to leave. Once people reach this point, they will start asking their more tech savvy friends or the Internet for a better way.

    I honestly hope Google will not change its trajectory because sooner or later, people will get fed up with their bullshit.

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      11 months ago

      Yes, I like the direction Google is going. More people need to favor non-profit software.

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      I paid for YouTube premium for quite a while but cancelled because it wouldn’t stop recommending the same video I’ve “not interested” for too many times, and also for pushing far right propaganda and pseudo science when all I watch is gaming related content and some space and engineering content.

      Browsing the Internet without add blockers literally breaks the pages and makes one vulnerable to malware.

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        Would you like to rewatch this video you already watched? i even removed the fact it has been previously played?

        No? How about now? Or now?

        Sometimes youtube’s recommendations are excellent, serving interesting woodworking or tech videos, other time it just shovels me the same drivel over and over.

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          My current feed is 4 videos that I’ve already watched completely and the red bar is still full, but I get a lot of already watched videos where the bar resets as well. Then it’s a bunch of videos from 14 years ago. These old videos started appearing earlier this year and I get a lot of them since, besides clicking ‘No Interest’

          Then there’s one or two videos that have been there for months in my feed that I’m afraid to dismiss because I like the general topic just don’t have interest in these particular videos.

          And then from time to time it it shines for a day or two and I get interesting stuff that disappears as quick as it came.

          One thing it’s getting better at recently is showing me long videos that are over an hour instead of the under 15 minute ones.

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        Eh, when Chrome first came out, Firefox was incredibly clunky and slow in comparison.

        At least it was for me, which was why I switched back then.

        Google’s YouTube shenanigans earlier this year got me back to Firefox though, and the more Google does crap like this the more I’m thinking my next phone may take me back to the Appleverse.

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              11 months ago

              To put it simply, a “custom ROM” in this context means a modified version of Android. Many of these versions are based on AOSP (Android Open-Source Project), which is still maintained by Google, but is in fact open-source and doesn’t include Google services. Therefore, there is a possibility to use Android phones (given you have one with unlockable bootloader) without any Google apps or account.

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                I guess I am just past the time where I enjoy…or even am willing to…delve into the way my devices work, run non standard stuff on them, or have some unique setup on them.

                I don’t feel like my needs or desires are too awfully picky or niche at this point, I just don’t want my shit to be actively fighting me in day to day function.

                When I got my first smart phone, I went Android for the increased options to customize and more hardware and app options.

                As time went on, I got to a point where the hardware all sucked compared to iPhone, couldn’t find a phone I liked that did all the things as well as an iPhone, so I switched, trading customize-ability for function.

                While that was a trade that worked, I still missed Android as I found the iPhone trying to constantly force me to do things a certain way. And when I went looking for ways to change that, most of the apple community basically said, “If you don’t want to do things the apple way, you’re the one that’s wrong and needs to change”

                So after that one, I came right back to Android.

                My last phone was pretty good but this one has so many quirks and hardware issues that just the experience of using the phone frustrates me and I’ve only had it a few months.

                Not seeing anything else I like on the market, my options seem to be annoyance with hardware, annoyance with software, or annoyance with hardware and fuss with installing non typical software.

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                  I get it, I have a similar situation, except since I came back to Android I have been nothing but happy.

                  I used to be into running custom stuff on Android before my switch to an iPhone. And I, too, have found it frustrating to be forced to respect Apple’s rules.

                  Now, however, I have a Pixel 7 and it’s been a perfect experience so far. Running the stock OS non-rooted, it finally feels like my phone.

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          11 months ago

          Yea, i swapped to chrome when it was on the rise, and it was subsantially faster than firefox.

          These days i find firefox as fast, or faster.

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            Yeah I honestly expected some growing pains with the switch but it was a lot smoother than I expected.

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          Trust me, if you care about what’s happening to Google and YouTube right now, you won’t love what has been happening to Apple and it’s products for the last decade or so.