oh no, anyway… -Firefox users
Thank goodness for Firefox. Google is really doing their best to make the Internet unusable.
Google justified this change by highlighting how extensions using the Web Request API could access and modify all the data in a network request, essentially being able to change everything that a user could do on the web (
which is pretty scary and problematic when you think about itwhich is a perfectly valid usecase of a user-installed extension).I mean what else do I want it to do if not
modifyextend my usage of the web?
This is good new if you ask me: more people switching to firefox
People don’t even know about manifest v3 let alone switching to Firefox. They will just use whatever google throws at them.
This was true of IE too.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
The point is they will know once their adblocker stops working, and they start to investigate why this happened.
So many people don’t use adblockers. It’s quite sad actually.
You can’t do much about users that just don’t care. But more technically inclined folks often do care and these are the people that develop the web and maintain the computer/browser for other people.
A lot of folks in my circle use chrome, but the moment the AdBlock plugin stops working they’ll likely switch to anything that works better. They are not necessarily too concerned about privacy, but they also don’t want to have most of their browsing made effectively impossible by ads everywhere.
I mean, just try and use the web without any sort of blocking. A lot of sites don’t even have their content visible.
Guess I just need to keep using firefox. shrug
Goddamnit I missed out again, faaaackkk! Why do i keep using Firefox ? Why?
Because you don’t randomly insist that your tab UI is some extremely fucking specific way that is somehow required to use the Internet! The nerve!
Well what did you expect from an advertising company with a side hustle in web search.
This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.
that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.
Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.
The V3 version of ublock should really use a different name to make it clear it doesn’t have the same capabilities as in V2/Firefox. Maybe something like UBlock use-firefox-instead.
I could have sworn I saw something saying Google caved on this due to pressure.
They pushed it back. They’ve done so several times with Manifest V3.
That’s an important distinction. Whenever trillion dollar tech companies say they’re not going to do something hugely unpopular and selfish because of public sentiment, what they really mean is they’re not going to do it right then. Instead they back off, do something like this to get everyone’s attention focused elsewhere, and then they’ll push the original unpopular idea anyways, but quietly.
They don’t allow any new MV2 extensions in the store, though.
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It was something else. Web drm : Web Integrity API.
Tho I don’t think they canceled the mobile variant of it for apps.
They backed off their web drm, because it was hugely unpopular, but also because they remembered they own chromium and can just disable adblockers directly. They tried to over-engineer something that requires everyone else to adopt a new standard, when all they ever needed to do was use a sledgehammer.
They played possum while stuffing MV3 with as many internet killers as they could get away with
They did update the Declarative Net Request API to be more useful apparently.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964509/google-manifest-v3-rollout-ad-blockers
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Peertube doesn’t give ad revenue sharing, so most content creators can’t afford to make content for a platform with no return. If someone was uploading a video for their friends, or a school project, then sure, open platforms are perfect.
Vast majority of creators make pennies from youtube ads. They make their money from patreon and sponsorship, neither of which are incompatible with peertube.
The biggest problem vis-a-vis youtube is that people won’t find you if you are not on it and blessed by the algorithm. Youtube is a monopoly because of metcalfe’s law.
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People were uploading, and still are. Uploading a video for my friends, or a school project which needs no return open platforms work perfectly. Irrelevant to my point.
Companies/Content Creators are on the platform because it pays them. If being on youtube did not pay them, they would go to a platform that did, eg twitch, tiktok.
They can’t afford? YouTube creators do it for attention and the possibility to become well known, not for the few dollars that YouTube shares with them. And also for the pleasure of helping others.
Literally any real job pays 100x what YouTube pays, so if money was the objective, these guys would not sit and make YouTube videos.
Enshitification continues.
Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.
I suppose this will affect chromium too?
Since Chrome does not “disable uBlock Origin” but Google deprecating manifest V2 in favor of manifest V3 it will be done in Chromium because Chromium does the heavy lifting and Chrome is “just a Chromium based browser”.
They have been postponing it for a long time now. But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3. I wonder why they bother in the first place when they can just focus on Firefox
But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3
It just “kinda” works. It cannot nearly load all the network filters that it would normally use.
So does it block ads or not? Does it block youtube ads?
Yes, it blocks ads, and likely the YouTube ones too. The current problem with YouTube is just their anti-adblocker which needs very frequent filter updates and unlike MV2, filter updates in MV3 need the update of the entire extension (think approval periods etc).
That was my understanding. People talk about this change like it’s going to disable adblock extensions completely which is clearly not the case. So far no one really explained what the actual impact will be. Do you know that? I see youtube ads might be harder to block. Anything else?
Yeah, I would like to know that as well.
Although if updating the adblocker’s list is not instant, as with wm2, it is basically a losing race with Google, since they can change the ad domains even before the adblocker update is applied.
Or worse, since the adblocker no longer has direct access, they can just set chrome to ignore it’s requests/changes when it benefits them.
Oh fear not, limiting filter list updates to addon updates is a huge problem. For those users who rarely restart their browsers it’s even bigger of a problem: updating the addon (for the up to date filter lists) also means that all of the already loaded websites will lose the filters until you reload them, which is both not obvious to be needed and very painful, when you are using your browser for other things than consuming.
Also, does that also mean that custom filter lists are impossible anymore?
Besides these, also take into account that approval of addon updates can take a long time, quite often days, while the filters need to be updated more often (once or twice a day) for websites to not break for the majority of the users.
Yes, thinking about it, I still confidently think that chrome’s changes are unacceptable and are dealbreakers, and google is very clearly trying to curb content blockers with whatever tools available. Fortunately I don’t have to use that garbage anywhere.
Not really. In some cases it is able to, but as I said, ublock cannot load it’s filters, and so it can filter out much less things. Don’t forget that ublock does not only block ads, but disruptive popups and obsessive data mining too. With this change of chrome, it is simply unable to do that reliably.
Well, Firefox also plans to deprecate MV2 at some point (deadline to be announced at the end of this year), the difference is just that their implementation of MV3 is more flexible at the points Chrome was criticized for.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
On the other news I hope this bullshit is finally the straw that kills chrome.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
But trivial to circumvent. Just change the origin url from (for example) ‘ads.google.com’ to ‘google.com’ and you no longer can block ads based on DNS blocking.
While it is now not a hugh thread it will eventually happen when they manage to eradicate adblockers in the browser.
Ublock origin is far way more advanced and complete than adguard, though. Cosmetic filtering, for example
Adguard does have cosmetic filtering thou. I’m talking about their paid app not dns servers.
Hope springs eternal. Most people without an adblocker don’t even notice that their web experience has become an ad-ridden hellscape.
The people who don’t run ad-blockers are many, and stupid.
Those many stupid people are paying for your gmail.
No. My electricity and internet bills do. #Self-hosted #Data-Hoarder.
While I have an old Gmail account I do not use it. My main email account is with (not much better) Microsoft. I also have an account with Proton Mail, which will eventually be my only account.
Highly doubt it. So many other browsers on so many platforms (mobile, tv, Auto,…) are built on Chrome and will have this by extension.
And opening most links in Android apps still opens them in Chrome, even if Firefox is your default browser.
Time for Android to get the EU treatment.
I have stock Android device and have disabled Chrome and everything opens in FF (including the uBlock addon) in-app. You are spreading lies.
I have a Pixel 7, and random things open in Chrome.
You are spreading lies.
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Then disable Chrome, you galaxy-brain genius.
How about the US fixes some of its shit for once? Instead of exporting disgusting practices and forcing others to fix them?
I don’t have this issue m Samsung galaxy s9+ on stock Android.
Everything opens in the duckduckgo browser by default. The only time I see Chrome is when it’s for when a web site doesn’t load in ddg or firefox
you might have forgotten to set your browser of choice as the default webview
Where do you do that? There’s only an option for Default Browser as far as I can see, and that’s set to Firefox.
I found an option in the Developer Options called Webview implementation, but only the Android System Webview can be selected. On Pixel 7.
I honestly don’t know anymore as I can’t find it. Maybe it was just different in older Android versions, but now I akso just have FF set as my default browser and that’s it.
