Eh. With iMessage’s popularity among teenagers, it would be harder for Android users to make friends in school. That’s a real problem and while many will say “you shouldn’t want to be friends with those types of people anyway,” it’s hard enough to make friends in school without this barrier. At that point, you can go through the hassle of working around that, or give in and use a device/OS that you find less favorable.
It still boggles my mind that you can get in trouble because your competitors can’t keep up with you or have a worse product than you. I get that this doesn’t really happen often, but it’s both funny and sad.
it still boggles my mind how people don’t understand how a company having a monopoly isn’t a good thing. prices go up, innovation goes down because you have no options.
It’s a little more complicated than that. It’s not just a question of market share, but whether you use your market share to make it impossible for others to compete against you.
For example, Microsoft was getting itself into trouble in the late 90s because they essentially used their dominant position in the OS market to push Internet Explorer— making it next to impossible for other browsers at the time, like Netscape, to compete. For example, they made it difficult for other companies to install their software when their own competitive alternatives were included for free, and in some cases, impossible to remove (explorer was fully integrated into Windows at this time and you couldn’t remove it).
There are plenty of companies that essentially own entire markets. Google for example something like 85%. There’s nothing wrong with that.
You cant. Thats just cause people dont understand anti trust law. You can absolutely have monopoly by competition. If you win the market the government isnt gonna stop you.
Antitrust measures are when you actively take away ways of competing. Like if apple paid carriers to not sell androids.
I know full well what it means. Did you also sleep through the docs where Apple said they use iMessage as a way to prevent people from switching? What Apple does here is no different than Microsoft making using anything but IE on Windows in the 90s miserable. Or how to this day they keep obfuscating Office formats while pinky promising for real this time they’ll support open document standards.
It’s not an issue of antitrust unless it can be shown that they used unfair/anti competitive “monopoly power”.
People misunderstand that. Monopolies are not illegal per se, abusing monopoly power is.
Android market share will never diminish below 20%, at least not worldwide.
Even in the US where iOS is the most dominant Android has a majority market share of 53.9%, iOS has around 45.6%.
When you look at it worldwide, Android has more than 2/3rd of the market with 70.5% market share, while iOS 28.8%.
Apple needs a lot more competitive pricing if they want to ever overtake Android, especially outside of the US. Sure they are popular among US teens who mostly care about what they see on TikTok or in the hand of their classmates, but the world doesn’t work like that.
I’ll never forget a few months ago on Reddit I saw a dude comment the only reason so many teenagers have iPhones is because they usually don’t pay for it themselves, and they’re gonna switch to Android when they get older.
No, competition is really important. Apple can be very consumer-unfriendly at times (see the ongoing raging about the 8gb ram Macbook Pros) and without competition, there’s nothing stopping them from being even worse.
It’s a problem for every other oem, and (more importantly) for current android users. If people stop using it Google are simply gonna stop making android.
Which also indirectly affects ios users, less competition (and Innovation) isn’t good for anyone.
In Europe 66% of smarthphone users have an Android . And as someone who lives in Europe I can say that I only rarely see Iphones.
Considering more and more people in third are beginning to buy more smartphones this number will prbably rise for Android.
And in Europe the consent is that Apple is becoming way to overpriced and you can get other flagships 1 year after release for half the price of an Iphone with the same specs
So I really doubt Android is dying. They just need to catch on to the US and some asian countries again
Literally not a problem for anyone but Google, a company.
Monopolies are definitely a problem for consumers. It allows Apple to get away with high prices for example.
Thought the exact same thing
Competition is very important. Two players is bad enough, having just one player reduces innovation and cost competitiveness.
See what happened with Intel and what they did when AMD finally brought some proper competition to the market again.
Eh. With iMessage’s popularity among teenagers, it would be harder for Android users to make friends in school. That’s a real problem and while many will say “you shouldn’t want to be friends with those types of people anyway,” it’s hard enough to make friends in school without this barrier. At that point, you can go through the hassle of working around that, or give in and use a device/OS that you find less favorable.
I mean , yeah , it would be good to not be friends with people that judge others based on using an android for example.
It can be an Apple issue if Androids market share diminishes to below 20%
Google has the money to lobby congress for antitrust suits and Apple may have to pay Google to keep Android alive
It still boggles my mind that you can get in trouble because your competitors can’t keep up with you or have a worse product than you. I get that this doesn’t really happen often, but it’s both funny and sad.
Being successful isn’t illegal. But using your success to stamp out the competition is illegal.
And one simple messaging app can kill Android? Then my point stands even more, Google is even worse at making products then.
it still boggles my mind how people don’t understand how a company having a monopoly isn’t a good thing. prices go up, innovation goes down because you have no options.
How is it a monopoly tho? There are shitload of smartphone companies and Android still has more users worldwide than iOS.
It’s a little more complicated than that. It’s not just a question of market share, but whether you use your market share to make it impossible for others to compete against you.
For example, Microsoft was getting itself into trouble in the late 90s because they essentially used their dominant position in the OS market to push Internet Explorer— making it next to impossible for other browsers at the time, like Netscape, to compete. For example, they made it difficult for other companies to install their software when their own competitive alternatives were included for free, and in some cases, impossible to remove (explorer was fully integrated into Windows at this time and you couldn’t remove it).
There are plenty of companies that essentially own entire markets. Google for example something like 85%. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Almost no one remembers you used to have to pay for Navigator, but they couldn’t compete with free and built in IE.
Heck with windows 95 you used to have to pay for IE, you had to get the Windows 95 plus package or you had to buy IE separately.
You cant. Thats just cause people dont understand anti trust law. You can absolutely have monopoly by competition. If you win the market the government isnt gonna stop you.
Antitrust measures are when you actively take away ways of competing. Like if apple paid carriers to not sell androids.
iMessage is vendor lock in, not being better. Apple is just as bad as 90s Microsoft on vendor lock in and EEE.
vendor lock in is not what you think it means.
I know full well what it means. Did you also sleep through the docs where Apple said they use iMessage as a way to prevent people from switching? What Apple does here is no different than Microsoft making using anything but IE on Windows in the 90s miserable. Or how to this day they keep obfuscating Office formats while pinky promising for real this time they’ll support open document standards.
It’s the only reason Apple even exists today.
I’m pretty sure Apple has more cash than Google and people seem to find Apple more likable.
It’s not an issue of antitrust unless it can be shown that they used unfair/anti competitive “monopoly power”. People misunderstand that. Monopolies are not illegal per se, abusing monopoly power is.
Thats not how anti trust works in capitalism.
Does Google do such a thing for Bing? Why did Yahoo search die?
Android market share will never diminish below 20%, at least not worldwide.
Even in the US where iOS is the most dominant Android has a majority market share of 53.9%, iOS has around 45.6%.
When you look at it worldwide, Android has more than 2/3rd of the market with 70.5% market share, while iOS 28.8%.
Apple needs a lot more competitive pricing if they want to ever overtake Android, especially outside of the US. Sure they are popular among US teens who mostly care about what they see on TikTok or in the hand of their classmates, but the world doesn’t work like that.
I’ll never forget a few months ago on Reddit I saw a dude comment the only reason so many teenagers have iPhones is because they usually don’t pay for it themselves, and they’re gonna switch to Android when they get older.
They’ll just take it out of the Google search money.
It’s a problem for all users if any one company essentially becomes the only player.
Look at how bad Internet Explorer was after Netscape died. Or how bad Internet providers are when they’re the only option.
It’ll be a problem for all if Apple becomes a monopoly
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No, competition is really important. Apple can be very consumer-unfriendly at times (see the ongoing raging about the 8gb ram Macbook Pros) and without competition, there’s nothing stopping them from being even worse.
It’s a problem for every other oem, and (more importantly) for current android users. If people stop using it Google are simply gonna stop making android.
Which also indirectly affects ios users, less competition (and Innovation) isn’t good for anyone.
Worldwide 71% of smartphone users have an Android
In Europe 66% of smarthphone users have an Android . And as someone who lives in Europe I can say that I only rarely see Iphones.
Considering more and more people in third are beginning to buy more smartphones this number will prbably rise for Android.
And in Europe the consent is that Apple is becoming way to overpriced and you can get other flagships 1 year after release for half the price of an Iphone with the same specs
So I really doubt Android is dying. They just need to catch on to the US and some asian countries again
As long as apple prices their phones like how they are, they are never going to have total domination.
Competition is good for the consumer, a monopoly is only good for the company (Apple in this case).