• Rednax@lemmy.world
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      Tolerance is a social contract, not an ideal. If someone refuses to adhere to the contract, then they are not entitled to the benefits of it either. Hence, there is no paradox. When we say “be tolerant to all” what we mean is “please adhere to the social contract, and assume everyone else does so, until proven otherwise”.

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      8 months ago

      paradox of tolerance

      From Wikipedia…

      The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.

      Someone needs to explain to me why that’s an absolute/assured (the italicized part).

      That seems like one hell of an assumption, and not a foregone conclusion.

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        It’s true the same way that the boxer with one hand tied behind his back will lose a fight. All other things being equal, the side that limits itself will always lose because they deny themselves paths to victory the opposition can use.

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        Those who want the benefit of the social contract without adhering to it will be dominant as they have an upperhand.

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          Those who want the benefit of the social contract without adhering to it will be dominant as they have an upperhand.

          No, the intolerant won’t be dominant, because they will require everyone to follow them to have that power, and they won’t be followed.

          The false premise doesn’t match the reality ‘on the ground’.

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        That’s what people on here take as facts. A paradox on Wikipedia. Get the fuck out of here. No one needs to read that uslesss garbage. Who defines what is or isn’t tolerate? “Nope, your being intolerant of (insert crazy fucking shit) off the the gulags with ya. These people are as bad as their far right counter parts and can’t even see it. Dripping with the same hate that they feel for the “enemy “

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          Wikipedia lists 17 different references from the last 70 years on this topic. It is not a new concept. It is also literally evident in a variety of places that have tried the absolute free speech approach, such as 4chan.

          Your entire comment is either disingenuous or asinine.

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            It is also literally evident in a variety of places that have tried the absolute free speech approach, such as 4chan.

            4chan is not America. Free Speech seems to work fine in America, we’re still here.

            And it isn’t about absolute free speech, it’s about giving everyone a turn at the microphone. You can definitely disagree with what someone’s saying, but you should never stop them from trying to say it.