Btw- this is NOT a keep flus post. I just think the defence gets a lot of blame because of the stigma of last year sticking to it. Some of which is misdirected.

Since Flus has been calling plays in week 2, the DEFENCE has given up

20 points vs tampa (-7 from pick 6)

41 points vs chiefs (easily could have been more tbf)

24 points vs broncos (-7 fumble 6)

20 commanders

Vikings 12 (-7 fumble 6)

Raiders 13

Chargers 30

Saints 24

Panthers 6 (-7 punt return TD)

= 21.11 defensive points allowed per game.

Do I like soft zones? No. Is this skewed by getting to play some garbage teams and kc taking mercy? A little. Is the defence as bad as it looks? No. Giving up the underneath routes for free gets you picked apart by good qbs, but pressure should change that, and even still, the defence is serviceable. It looks bad with missed tackles, easy completions, and no pressure, but it has been keeping the offence in games the offence can’t finish.

This defence gets blamed a lot. Situationally, doesn’t pass the eye test, but it probably isn’t as bad as you think when you account for scores the offence spotted them. I also think the green bay game left a bad impression, but alan williams isn’t calling plays anymore after he made peanut cry.

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    10 months ago

    The thing that stands out to me is the shitty tacking. For a strategy where people are supposed to swarm, you don’t see a lot of swarming. Very little selling out to tackle and a lot of matador attempts at tackling. So very few forced fumbles because of this.

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    10 months ago

    I’m actually on the other side of it since I’ve heard nothing lately except how good our run defense is. There are several factors that can contribute to it, be it the pass defense being very low end, us being the absolute worst for turnover differential (contributes to potentially shorter fields to defend), even Gill being 25th in punt average shrinks the field a little. It’s still all in all good that anything is looking better for the defense. Slowly but slowly.

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      10 months ago

      They really haven’t played a team with a great running game all year.

      The Chiefs mostly ran whenever they wanted too until they let up and coasted. Jaleel McLaughlin on Denver gashed us.

      Ekeler is a big name but hasn’t had any success running this year outside of one game against Miami. Same thing with Jacobs while McDaniel was still in charge.

      Lets see how the Bears run d looks against Detroit with Monty and Gibbs or Atlanta/Cleveland. Though Cleveland hasn’t looked as good since the Chubb injury.

      The Bears have really played a pretty cupcake schedule.

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    10 months ago

    There are a lot of stats that show the defense has been good enough. We’ve all seen this before, though. This is what this defense is. They do well against bad teams and can’t hang against good ones. The stats get padded. Look at the two games against real QBs, KC, and LA. They got absolutely destroyed. This is the shit that used to happen to Lovie. This we he got fired even though he had a winning record that year. Anytime the Tampa 2 has been successful, it’s been on the backs of hall of fame level players (or players that played at that level for a couple seasons. You got the Sapp and Urlacher as the main difference makers. Then, there are a ton of other guys like Lynch and Barber, and I’m sure I’m forgetting a couple of those Tampa guys. Briggs, Tillman, Mike Brown, Tommie Harris. I can’t think of an instance where the Tampa 2 has done anything else of significance. In this NFL. It’s never going to get us anywhere. Because in it’s history it’s only won 1 superbowl.

    Compare it to 2018, where the Bears had 1 hall of fame-ish caliber of player with Mack and then just good - above average players at most of the positions. That’s sustainable. That’s a defense you can pair with a good offense and win a championship because it was adapted to players’ strengths.

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    10 months ago

    If someone thinks the defense looks bad, it means they don’t know what they’re seeing. When your offense consistently gives up excellent starting field position and turnovers, no defense is going to stand a chance. Bears have thrown the 2nd most interceptions and been sacked the 5th most amount of times, and that’s despite Bagent, who rarely gets sacked, playing his games. They’ve also fumbled 5 times. Bears are also 31st in plays from scrimmage. You just can’t realistically expect a defense to be able to do much with all that happening by the offense.

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    10 months ago

    They got skewered by Tampa and Baker. If Baker was better they give up 30-40.

    Commanders are inconsistent yet Howell nearly threw for 400 yards, this was the one game they got pressure.

    They actually played fairly well against the Vikings but no Jefferson. He might have broken the single game receiving record against this soft zone.

    Raiders were a dumpster fire and played a washed Hoyer before replacing him mid game with a rookie.

    Giving up 24 pts to the Saints is nothing to celebrate

    The Panthers are a dumpster fire.

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    10 months ago

    The fact is, there’s not a way to be consistently successful with a pass rush as bad as the Bears. That’s why the guys who can do it at a high level get paid the big bucks. Maybe Montez Sweat + one more blue chip player can change things a bit.

    Also everyone talking about soft zones. Go watch the games. Yes cover 2 is a part of their scheme. But. They play a ton of man coverage. Especially on third downs.

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    10 months ago

    There are good parts to the defense, but the overall problem is the same as the offense. No adjustments.

    The team is too compartmentalized and has no overall leadership. Flus may not be a bad DC, but he needs someone to tell him soft zone is a bad idea against certain teams. There’s no accountability since he’s both the coach and DC.

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    10 months ago

    This current regime of coaches and coordinators are frauds. They can’t develop players or put players in positions to be successful. Talented young players like Teven Jenkins and Wright owe nothing to their coaches because they were high draft picks who were all but guaranteed to be at least starter level. Brisker and Gordon play really well inconsistently, they were both 2nd rounders. How come Eberflus can’t get more out of them? How come Eberflus can’t get more out of our defensive linemen?

    Why did Poles hire this guy? Eberflus and his stupid HITS acronym haven’t proven anything except he’s not a head coach. Poles needs to get this limpdick yes-man out of here

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    10 months ago

    He runs his defense on the premise of making the offense complete long, methodical drives. Bend but don’t break. He is relying on the offense making mistakes. It works against the Brian Hoyer’s of the world, not against the Herbert or Mahomes’. It’s boring, frustrating, and outdated. If they had 2 more studs on the d line, it could potentially work against decent qbs. He just doesn’t have the personnel to run it effectively, and that’s on him. He has had 2 offseasons and tons of money to fix this. Time to move on.

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    10 months ago

    I just need to see our defense play well against a great QB. Just one time and I can be so much more optimistic about them.

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    10 months ago

    Its defense. Not defence.

    And lord what is your point? Giving up 21.1 in that span is not good. Eberflus is god awful at his job in totality. STOP DEFENDING THIS IDIOT

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    10 months ago

    Saint 24 points was also from 5 offensive turnovers. That game plus have been worse.