Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
Too many of these fans are new and didn’t live through 2 decades of their team fumbling around and getting stonewalled by the Patriots.
There’s a reason 47-17 is as loved as 13 seconds is loathed around here
Ok “around here” I thought you meant r/nfl and not Buffalo lol because I had no idea what 47-17 even meant
Honestly, neither did I lol
I always laugh when they call it a perfect game, like can you sound dumber?
I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for some people to get that success, especially at the level the Pats had, is almost always due to combination of people/factors.
You can’t just say “they won all those super bowls because of Brady” or “because of BB.” It was the combination of both of them, and a lot of other people too. Those rosters were almost always stacked with talent on both sides of the ball, and they have a long history of great coordinator’s (I know the record of those guys as head coaches, but some guys are great coordinator’s and bad HC’s. It takes different skill sets)
They both deserve the credit. To say one of them carried the other is a disservice to the “other,” and also to dozens and dozens other people
It’s because pro-Bill people constnsntly act like Brady “was carries” and say “any QB could have won with the Pats”. (People are saying it in this thread).
So that sets up a very high expectation for Bill, and with each loss it hurts Bill’s legacy.
It sucked so much. First time we’ve felt free
Or they did, and they’re doing this as revenge.
Or people that just picked them because they were good and can’t handle a few down years
We don’t love 13 seconds?
can’t relate
There’s a reason he owns the “Dark Lord” moniker.
Is 47-17 the only glimmer you’ve had? How did you you lose to the pats game 1. That was embarrassing