Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
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Not fat enough.
Bill has always been a slightly above average head coach who lucked into a few more super bowls than he deserved. He isn’t an awful coach or anything, but he’s also nowhere near one of the best.
This is a fair and correct assessment.
People were shitting on Shula his last few years. People just like to minimize coaches accomplishments if the team feels sluggish or not living up to their potential. In the case of the Pats they hitched their fortunes to a subpar QB and subpar WRs.
HAS WENT
If Bill Belichick is a bad coach then there’s no such thing as a good coach.
Just take it from the fans of teams that had to play him every single year, twice a year. He’s a defensive mastermind, who got fairly lucky getting a QB like Brady, but probably would’ve been a very successful coach even without him. Together they were simply unfair
one bad season
He’s 80-94 without Tom Brady as his starting QB.
What I’ve always found interesting is the lack of credit Bill gets for developing Tom into Tom. People make like Tom Brady, the 6th round pick, was always destined to be the greatest QB of all time. Isn’t it entirely possible that without Bill Bellick, Brady is just an average QB?
Points Scored is a bad metric to differentiate defense from offense. EPA is much better. Scoring 3 points after an int gets you to the 97 yards is not good. And conversely a defense stopping a drive that started at the 1 due to a great punt isn’t a great defense. Use EPA per drive.
*has gone
I think the discussion should be if he’s an elite coach or just a good coach. I refuse to believe a team can get that many rings and have anyone with any real decision making ability be a fraud. I don’t like him and love to watch him lose, but he’ll always be a good coach.
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People who unironically think Brady made Bill need to go revisit that first SB run.
Brady becoming elite years later masks that from being one of the worst QB’s to ever win a ring.
Its just casual morons who don’t understand the game. OMG Brady brought them back single handedly from 28-3. Absolutely no help from Belichicks defense holding the MVP and best offense in the NFL in the second half
People need to be quiet. Pats fans calling for his head are the worst kind of fan. Fairweather fans. Just sit down and eat the shit. We enjoyed 20 years of excellence it’s time to roll in the mud.