Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.

“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.

Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!

Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.

Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!

Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.

Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs

Brady: 9th

Rivers: 15th

Peyton: 18th

Rodgers: 18th

Brees: 20th

Mahomes: 20th

And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.

  • hcimml@alien.topBEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Even in week one or week two, when the Pats defense was still at full strength, BB dialed up a defense that Tony Romo said he had never seen before. That to me is absolutely insane.

    • tburke38@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Every time Josh Allen avoids a sack and throws it away out of bounds, Romo acts like it’s something he’s never seen before

    • hot-in-arizona@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      People seem to forget that the defense has been obliterated by injuries. Judon and Gonzales are out for the season, and they’re the 2 most talented players on the defense. There was a period where CBs 1-4 were all out with injuries, and the defense still manages to play pretty well.

    • Locdawg42069@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Ya also from what I remember tom wasn’t allll that special especially in those first three super bowls. Look at what bill did dragging Mac jones to the playoffs with yet another great defense.

      People also want to give Brady alllll this credit for his post patriots career. Which he does deserve a bunch of credit to play like that at that age. But come one we walked on to a fucking beast of a ready made roster. With an mother incredible coach. Who was 100 percent on the same page with him.

      The. The second year ya they made the playoffs but they were not a good team really. He lost his coach the roster had injuries and turn over just like the patriots

    • BrotherMouzone3@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Bill the HC is still legendary/GOAT-level. His issue is more from the GM side. All great coaches struggle with this eventually. The ability to identify talent seems to fall off quicker than the ability to coach it.

      • Comprehensive-Car190@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I don’t think it’s that really. I think it’s that GMing is mostly a crap shoot.

        Statistically that’s pretty well documented. Most great GMs get fired eventually because it’s just too hard to be really good for a long time.