You’re seemingly not understanding what dozens of people are trying to explain to you.
The issue is you, not the people trying to explain how logic works. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic logic theory. And that’s ok. This is something that you can learn and grow beyond.
This is a moment where you have a choice to make. You can continue to do things the way you’re doing it, which is only going to be effective in the circles you’ve already chosen to spend time in; or you can listen to literally everyone in this thread telling you you’re incorrect, and consider that you might genuinely misunderstand something about how the world works, and adapt and learn and grow.
Capacity for self inflection and growth is what most theists lack. Not everyone can break out of their indoctrination cycle. It’s tough. It took years and years for me to deconvert from christianity. It will be the same journey for you, but the first step is admitting that you’re not the smartest person in this room right now, and that is understandably a difficult thing for anyone to do.
There’s no shame in that, by the by. But it is necessary to move forward and grow.
Or remain where you’re at for the rest of your life and ignore the evidence, and lack of evidence, as you continue to tap dance your way around it, thinking you’re more clever than the people you’re arguing with, until you die. There won’t be any realization that there’s no afterlife. Just nothingness. The same nothingness that you existed in before you were born. There will be nobody there to tell you that you were wrong, or they were right, or any of that nonsense. Just, nothingness.
Here’s my take on this whole discussion. I think it’s a discussion of epistemology and a bit of butting up against the limitations of language.
You could believe you know the truth because you choose to follow what a trusted authority told you. This is faith.
You could frame it that those who shape their knowledge of the world using the scientific method, logic, and reason choose to believe they know the truth. But they don’t.
If you understand 2+2=4, it’s not a choice to understand it is true. You see the truth.
If you underhand the scientific method, logic, and reason, you aren’t choosing to believe things about the world. You’re understanding the truth of the world.
Furthermore atheism is the lack of belief. It’s not belief against the existence of god. Absence of belief isn’t a belief.
This you?
No.
But at this point, I get the feeling I would have had a much more productive conversation with him.
A conversation with a cartoon character would be very helpful for you and would save the rest of us a lot of time
You’re seemingly not understanding what dozens of people are trying to explain to you.
The issue is you, not the people trying to explain how logic works. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic logic theory. And that’s ok. This is something that you can learn and grow beyond.
This is a moment where you have a choice to make. You can continue to do things the way you’re doing it, which is only going to be effective in the circles you’ve already chosen to spend time in; or you can listen to literally everyone in this thread telling you you’re incorrect, and consider that you might genuinely misunderstand something about how the world works, and adapt and learn and grow.
Capacity for self inflection and growth is what most theists lack. Not everyone can break out of their indoctrination cycle. It’s tough. It took years and years for me to deconvert from christianity. It will be the same journey for you, but the first step is admitting that you’re not the smartest person in this room right now, and that is understandably a difficult thing for anyone to do.
There’s no shame in that, by the by. But it is necessary to move forward and grow.
Or remain where you’re at for the rest of your life and ignore the evidence, and lack of evidence, as you continue to tap dance your way around it, thinking you’re more clever than the people you’re arguing with, until you die. There won’t be any realization that there’s no afterlife. Just nothingness. The same nothingness that you existed in before you were born. There will be nobody there to tell you that you were wrong, or they were right, or any of that nonsense. Just, nothingness.
Here’s my take on this whole discussion. I think it’s a discussion of epistemology and a bit of butting up against the limitations of language.
You could believe you know the truth because you choose to follow what a trusted authority told you. This is faith.
You could frame it that those who shape their knowledge of the world using the scientific method, logic, and reason choose to believe they know the truth. But they don’t.
If you understand 2+2=4, it’s not a choice to understand it is true. You see the truth.
If you underhand the scientific method, logic, and reason, you aren’t choosing to believe things about the world. You’re understanding the truth of the world.
Furthermore atheism is the lack of belief. It’s not belief against the existence of god. Absence of belief isn’t a belief.