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Coffee addiction or caffeine dependancy?
This is how I, and everyone I know, started smoking.
Want a break at in work?
You can have your legally mandated 15 minutes for every 8 hour shift. Or you can become a smoker and get <10 minutes of every hour.
Mother: “My addiction, is now hers. She is now truly my child.”
The good thing is that coffee withdrawals are over quite quickly and don’t have long-term effects.
But getting peer pressured into an addiction by one’s mom of all people is ironic.
My grandma just made me coffee after I was 10 days clean, and I drank it, since I didn’t want it to go to waste…
People doing something in your immediate vicinity, without excluding you or in other ways hinting you have to do the same, are not peer pressuring you. Any obligations you feel to do the thing is entirely caused by your own insecurities.
Peer pressure is the sensation of psychological pressure when deviating from peers. It doesn’t have to be caused intentionally or through active action, and it’s a basic fact of life that at least 95% of humanity experiences. (I can’t speak for all forms of neurodiversity).
Well, there is an innate drive to be part of a community baked into our biology. We see people enjoying something, and we want to do it too. It doesn’t need to be framed so negatively as being an insecurity, though I wouldn’t necessarily frame it as peer pressure, either. It’s more just a human desire to share in a new experience with others.
You literally described peer pressure.
Ok let me rephrase it a little more clearly. There’s external peer pressure, and internal peer pressure. What I described in my other comment is a lack of external peer pressure from your surroundings, and your internal peer pressure compelling you to do something. Internal peer pressure is a problem caused by yourself, and you cannot blame that on anyone else.
Susceptibility to both what you describe as external or internal peer pressure always comes down to your own insecurities.
For example, I don’t drink alcohol and I don’t smoke. Never did. Growing up there was quite a bit of external peer pressure. But I still decided to not drink or smoke and I stuck to it. Your actions are your actions, and you can’t blame anyone for them no matter if it’s external or internal peer pressure.
But the whole premise is flawed. Having to “blame” someone for your own decisions is always a sign of not exactly being in control of yourself and your life. It’s always a sign of not being exactly mentally fit. Because this action in itself is a sign that you don’t take responsibility for your own actions, but instead look for someone else to blame your decision on.
I don’t see OOP doing that in the cartoon. She takes responsibility for her own actions. “I peer pressured myself”. She realized the mechanism at play (she wanted to fit in, and thus did something she actually didn’t want to do) and took responsibility for it. She’s not looking for blame anywhere at all.
But the whole premise is flawed. Having to “blame” someone for your own decisions is always a sign of not exactly being in control of yourself and your life. It’s always a sign of not being exactly mentally fit. Because this action in itself is a sign that you don’t take responsibility for your own actions, but instead look for someone else to blame your decision on.
I would argue that children and teenagers are generally susceptible to this while being perfectly developmentally healthy (though of course, not fully mature). It’s great that you weren’t susceptible to those pressures, but many others are at those ages, and that’s not indicative of any mental weakness. Susceptibility to peer pressure is a helpfully adaptive trait in many ways (it goes a long way towards making people generally more hygienic and friendly, for example), it’s just value neutral for people who aren’t yet good at predicting the long-term consequences of their decisions.
I don’t see OOP doing that in the cartoon. She takes responsibility for her own actions. “I peer pressured myself”. She realized the mechanism at play (she wanted to fit in, and thus did something she actually didn’t want to do) and took responsibility for it. She’s not looking for blame anywhere at all.
In the cartoon, no, but the OP of this thread phrased it a little more actively. I don’t have a problem with it and think it was chosen for comic effect (successfully, imo), but I think that’s what your parent commenter was responding to.
Any obligations you feel to do the thing is entirely caused by your own insecurities.
All children have a natural inclination to imitate their parents. It’s a basic instinct of childhood development.
This comic is not depicting a child but an adult.
The comic is depicting a mother and daughter. No ages are given.
The daughter is artistically portrayed as smaller and more child-like than the mother, though. So consider that, from a psychological perspective.
The daughter references the mother visiting her, indicating she is living alone. That’s a somewhat decent indicator for adulthood, at least in most cultures.
More common is getting peer pressured into an ED by your mom
ED?
eating disorder
Oh thank goodness. Here I’m thinking erectile dysfunction.
lmao… my first instinct was to type it out, i figured people shorten it as a sort of trauma filter, knew at least one person would think it was “Erectile Dysfunction” but proceeded nontheless
Uhhh
Tell me you’re eastern european without telling me you’re eastern european
There are coffee withdrawals? I drink 2 (weak) coffees a day sometimes 3 and I have multiple times had a week or two without coffee because I forgot. I just drink it for the taste and warmth.
Caffeine dependency is a thing for sure. You’ll get some gnarly headaches for a few days and feel fatigued. Takes about 2 weeks to lose it.
It’s caffeine withdrawal. I used to get it a lot as a kid. My parents were separated and one of them had caffeinated drinks and one didn’t. When I figured out why I was getting headaches, I just stopped drinking anything with caffeine.
Some people are more or less sensitive to caffeine. Going from one coffee a day to zero has me with headaches and tiredness for a day or two.
My dad is an alcoholic and I’m convinced that I’ve inherited certain vulnerabilities to addiction. I’ve never had a problem with alcohol, but by God, when I get into a regular full-caf coffee habit, and then I miss one or two cups, the withdrawal symptoms hit me hard. I’ve been trying to slowly lower my ratio, but it’s hard to even contemplate going totally decaf when I’ve got a retail job and I’m a little scared of trying to deal with customers and withdrawal headaches at the same time.
The way caffeine works is that it allows the body to release energy reserves that it usually “locks” away from you. It allows you to tap into these reserves for concentration and makes you feel less tired.
That’s helpful for short-term use, giving you more energy and concentration.
But if you use too much caffeine for too long (“too much” depends on your body and “too long” is a few days), the body adjusts to the caffeine levels and now you have the same energy reserves and concentration that you had without caffeine before. Caffeine thus loses its effect on you and your baseline shifts, so that you need caffeine to be on the same level as before.
If you now stop your caffeine intake, this swings back. Your body thinks you are really tired and you get headaches, bad mood, low concentration and so on, until you either take in more caffeine or you abstain long enough for your baseline to shift back.
That’s why there are people who say they can’t work before they had their first coffee/energy drink. They literally can’t, because if they aren’t on the level of caffeine they are used to, their body tells them that they are super exhausted. This is the caffeine dependency/withdrawal effect.
The way caffeine works is that it allows the body to release energy reserves that it usually “locks” away from you.
I thought it just blocked the receptors for the chemicals that made us feel sleepy, not tapped into some hidden energy.
Tomato. Potato. Same thing
Correct - my best ELI5.
When you wake up your body starts producing adenosine, which slowly locks into receptors in your brain. As the day goes on, these receptors fill. By the end of the day your receptors are full which tells you you’re tired and need to go to sleep. When you sleep, these receptors clear to start the next day fresh (which is one of the reasons if you don’t sleep well, they don’t all clear and you start the day tired.)
Caffeine fits these receptor sites, preventing the adenosine from locking in and delaying the onset of fatigue. Caffeine half life is about 5-6 hours, which can lead to the “crash” as the free adenosine starts locking into the receptors the caffeine is now making available as it breaks down.
When caffeine is consumed regularly and the brain isn’t detecting the expected adenosine feedback, it responds by creating more receptors. More caffeine is now needed to account for the new receptors. If you skip caffeine with the addition of receptors, the adenosine fills the extra receptors faster and leaves you comparitively more fatigued/with withdrawal symptoms. If you reduce/abstain from caffeine for a few days the extra receptors are reduced and you return to baseline.
That’s basically the same thing. When you feel sleepy, you aren’t at the end of your reserves. Your body tells you that you are sleepy at a time when you still have reserves.
Blocking these receptors doesn’t tap into any magic hidden energy, it just stops your body from telling you that you are running on fumes. Thus it allows you to go farther into your reserves. In extreme cases to the point where you collapse, because you really don’t have any reserves left.
Edit: Just to be clear, going into your reserves is not a good or healthy thing. It’s not some magical potential unlocker or something, but it’s running your body under circumstances it’s not made for. If you use caffeine when you really should be sleeping, that’s short-term ok, but can lead to some serious consequences in the long term.
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But getting peer pressured into an addiction by one’s mom of all people is ironic.
It’s one case where I’d argue that the most literal interpretation should apply, dictionary definition be damned. Your authority figures are not your peers.
Once youre an adult parents should not longer be authority figures.
Also, someone drinking coffee without you isn’t peer pressure.
Is “coffee addiction” the new meme? I’ve been seeing this pop up over and over again across social media.
Caffeine is extremely addictive and the withdrawal symptoms are quite severe.
I haven’t noticed this personally. I quit for two weeks a while back and didn’t notice any physical symptoms and just missed the ritual.
How many cups did you drink daily before the break?
Just one, or an energy drink <=150mg caffeine. Basically, at most 150mg caffeine, any more and I notice issues with my sleep.
You should be well below any intake that would cause withdrawal symptoms. The Mayo clinic lists a cup (237ml) of coffee with 96mg of caffeine. People who I’ve heard report withdrawal symptoms drink upwards of 5 cups a day.
I wish, man. I get a headache only tylenol can fix if I’m like 3 hours late.
Conspiracy theory brain goes: This meme trend has to be an attempt at manufacturing consent to reduce caffeine consumption due to rising coffee prices due to climate change. That way when coffee is phased out, it doesn’t cause a huge outrage and is just seen as a thing only addicts use and it falls into the same “moral failing” BS as any other addiction because we all need to be “healthier”.
I don’t think that’s it though because there are plenty of energy drink companies trying to pick up former coffee drinkers who are looking for lower cost alternatives.
lower cost alternatives
lol
Once you have the wherewithal to grind your own coffee and acquire a percolator or a French press, a cup of coffee is dirt cheap and only takes like five minutes. Doesn’t take -that- long to recoup the costs, either, if you’re a regular drinker.
Buying coffee from Starbucks every morning is for suckers.
Currently yes, but the cost of beans is going to continue to increase as climate change worsens. We’ve already seen disruptions in harvests and price hikes due to this. We’ll see how it shakes out in the long run for total cost increase.
Also, if we’re comparing buying an energy drink on the go vs a cup of coffee on the go, energy drinks are already much cheaper. The convenience aspect shouldn’t be ignored. Generally though, I agree, buying a coffee every day is for suckers.
I’m reading “The Zoomers are Killing Coffee” headlines in my mind’s eye already.
I’m pretty sure caffeine is a performance enhancing drug for a lot of jobs so no chance of that. Plus like you allude to, it can be synthetically manufactured for cheap without worrying about growth conditions or import of coffee beans.
It’s definitely weird whatever it is. Can’t drink together because not both having coffee?
I drink coffee. If someone would want to chat with me over coffee but then drinks water, I wouldn’t care one bit. If you cannot figure this out with your own mom, then I am really not sure what to think about that relationship.
You’re under the impression the mom was judging her? It is a very normal human tendency to want to mirror others. That’s all this is.
I never said the mom was judging her. I rather see it she cannot even approach her own mom to ask if it is ok to sit and not drink coffee. Or likewise her mom wondering why her daughter doesn’t want to sit with her when she drinks coffee. I don’t know, just overall seems a very artificial and unlikely situation to me.
I don’t see it that way at all. The two wanted to sit together, the daughter subconsciously needed to mirror her mother, so she did. It doesn’t say anything about my relationship with friends I used to hang out with, that I smoked cigarettes with “socially”. I never asked them if I could not smoke, they never pressured me to smoke in any way. I simply had an instinct to do what they were doing. I felt more comfortable that way. I’ve dated women who hated beer but when surrounded by people drinking beer, they would drink half of one. I think this kind of thing is extremely common. Peer pressure isn’t always overt, as in someone suggesting someone do something others are doing.
Now harness that addiction and turn it into a hobby!
To the uninitiated, coffee is a surprisingly deep rabbit hole
Did you know the french invented the espresso? Scholars still debate if the name comes from ‘exprès’ (as in specially made for you) or ‘express’ (as in fast).
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I always thought it came from “being pressed through the coffee grounds”
Also, it is Espresso in every language except French, where it is called Expresso
You can use both, and I’d say we mostly say espresso.
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Espresso because you e-presso the fuck out of it.
Should have had chicory.
Next time mix hot chocolate with the coffee to improve taste! Also get a chocolate addiction
“Hi, I’m Janx, and I’m a chocoholic…”
That’s sad
Don’t fall for peer pressure, people
This is not what peer pressure is. The character could have drunk water at the table instead at of the desk. Nobody was pressuring.
Since when are coffee withdrawals so powerful? They’ve never even been noticeable to me. Since when do you develop coffee dependence (there is no such thing as addiction from coffee afaik) so quickly? I think OP is severly overestimating the dangers of coffee, and meanwhile I’m here drinking it purely for health (especially heart) and cognitive function, not energy.
Depends on the person. I used to get a splitting headache after ~36 hours of not drinking coffee (i.e. sunday mornings) and would be useless for that day until everything was fine again Monday morning for work. Took me a while to realize it was caffeine withdrawal.
At that point I might do a full medical checkup. If it’s so easy to get headaches and become “useless” for the day just because of coffee, that sounds like something else is going on in your body that makes you extra suspecible to these things, but I’m no medical professional, it just sounds extreme/rare to me, something worth checking out
No, your experience is yours, others have other experiences. We don’t all have the same exact reaction to caffeine. Don’t project how things affect you on others.
I understand, but coffee is amongst the most consumed things in the world, yet headaches from it is something I don’t really hear around, so it’s not completely wild or out of the blue to suggest a check-up. Something similar was happening to me with energy drinks 10+ years ago, which was related to my blood pressure.
The headaches are not from coffee, they are from the caffeine withdrawal. Try drinking 5-7 cups of strong coffee per day 5 days a week for an extended time and I’m sure you’ll see some kind of withdrawal symptoms on Sundays.
Oh, I thought caffeine is the active ingredient in coffee, and so you consume it, and talk about it, just like when people talk about weed, they talk about THC, even tho still saying weed, but okay.
Anyway, I’ve done what you told me to do for half of my life, and like I said before - I have not noticed withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.
I’ve done what you told me to do for half of my life, and like I said before - I have not noticed withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.
Then you are exceptionally resistant. Congrats. Caffeine withdrawal is super common.
I do a coffee detox every Sunday, and can tell you that the brainfog and lethargy is real. In my case, it’s 2-3 cups a day Mon-Sat for this effect to occur on Sunday.
If I limit myself to 1 cup of coffee a day, and do the Sunday detox I just generally feel irritable and eat more sweet things to compensate but without any headaches
Folks who drink coffee consistently are likely perpetually dehydrated and get worse sleep on average cuz they use the coffee to counteract the effects of less sleep daily.
Coffee literally hydrates you. The fact that you believe a popular myth makes me assume you don’t really understand coffee.
The worse sleep is a fair argument, but coffee drinkers generally live by a golden rule - no coffee 6 hours before bed.
EDIT: Ffs Lemmy, it really isn’t that hard to search and learn something new instead of just downvotting.
Moderate coffee consumption hydrates you similarly to water, debunking the myth that its diuretic effect causes dehydration. While caffeine is a mild diuretic, the high water content in coffee outweighs this effect. Daily coffee drinkers develop a tolerance, allowing coffee to contribute effectively to daily fluid needs.
Caffeine addiction is definitely a real thing and there are real physical withdrawal symptoms associated with it. It’s a psychoactive stimulant, why would addiction not be possible? Addiction is just your body adjusting to the constant stimulation, then once that’s stopped there’s an adjustment period where it needs to regulate your neurotransmitters back up to a normal level.
Medical/clinical addiction normally revolves around hard-to-control cravings (can’t stop thinking about it, might get aggressive if prevented from getting it), loss of control, etc. Dependence is essentially making your body used to something, and then having to consume it to feel normal, or feel like shit when you stop consuming it. While addiction and dependence are similar, addiction is far more brutal and hard to quit. By no means coffee is as hard to skip as cigarette, to anyone. If your reaction is “wow, coffee makes my head hurt, I don’t want it”, that’s pretty opposite of addictive substance.
https://www.science.org/content/article/coffee-cravers-are-not-addicts
That’s weird, that’s the opposite of what I was taught, which was that dependence was a psychological reliance on a drug and addiction was the body’s physical response and adjustment to the drug. Doing a quick google it seems like those terms have been switched, likely to take away some of the stigma due to the whole addiction is a disease thing.
Depends on how much caffeine you drink…turns out not everyone is exactly like you. Go figure.
