The United States is warning Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to rein in “extremist” settlers in the West Bank in the wake of reports of violence against Palestinians. “We…

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    8 months ago

    I’m glad this is being said. There are problems all around and fervor seems to be creating large envelopes of “allowed activity” for those who are willing.

    This is a complex situation, but some things are clear. This is one.

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      8 months ago

      Yea most Israelis agree it’s fucked too.

      Cops are bastards and let it happen, local troops help.

      One silver lining is the Israeli Left is having a resurgence and there might be a government trying to roll it back and clean up it’s act after this.

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          8 months ago

          The United States regularly votes for warmongers and theocrats, it doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of Americans who think they’re wrong.

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          I don’t think either population is morally responsible for what their so-called leaders do. Subsets of them, sure, but Israelis or Palestinians as a whole? Not a chance. People are not responsible for actions they had no hand in, or which they actively opposed.

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            Really funny how people down vote you because they believe in collective punishment as long as it’s the side they don’t like.

            Which is the status quo for the region.

            Still doesn’t change the Geneva Conventions definition of a military target.

            Meanwhile over in Pakistan there’s massive protests for Palestine nominally. As they are genociding 1.4 million Afghan refugees. https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-afghanistan-deportations-migrant-crackdown/32658618.html the stated reason is that the refugee population keeps suicide bombing stuff amongst other militant actions. Sound familiar?

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                  May you never experience a true carpet bombing.

                  The death toll would be in the 100k+

                  In Dresden in the B link 60k died in one night.

                  Didn’t work for his defense then doesn’t now. It’s the basis of the laws of war and Geneva Conventions.

                  As it turns out a place the size of jersey city with 500km of tunnels is entrenched

                  It’s not a claim it’s a fact that Gaza isn’t being carpet bombed. Overlay the maps of damage from satellite imagery with where tunnels were known to be previously in public knowledge.

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          Yeah except the person you’re responding to probably doesn’t hold all of Gaza responsible for what Hamas has done since being voted into power.

          Also, the Israeli left actually now has their own egotistically altruistic motive to shut down the settler shit, that being that shutting off the valve of right of return and no longer counting the votes of settlers in the west bank gives them an electoral edge.

          And after the shit Bibi’s pulled, you could bet good money that the courts would look the other way on them doing it too since the judges will for a long time see right wing governments as a threat to their judicial autonomy.

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      8 months ago

      And even this one is complex. A lot of the support for the settlers comes from American evangelical Christians. They believe that Jesus will come back under two conditions.

      The first is that Jews run Israel. That’s a check. The second is that Israel suffers a major attack. Well, that won’t happen so that evangelicals send money to the settlers. Not only does it align with their “Israel should have the biblical borders” beliefs, but it adds fuel to the fire - worsening the conflict and making it more likely for a huge “Jesus will return this time” attack to happen.

      They also support right wing Israeli politicians for the same reason. They don’t want a guy running Israel who says “let’s get a lasting peace with the Palestinians.” They want a guy that says “I’ll burn every Palestinian house to the ground and then burn the Palestinians themselves!”

      This isn’t meant to excuse actions by anyone else. It just shows that three situations are complex with a lot of people all over the place working against peace.