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“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life’s exciting variety, not something to fear.”
- Gene Roddenberry
That kind of statement can only apply to ideas and attitudes that also respect diversity. Christianity and Islam taken at face value are exclusionary of all other religions. A “true” believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.
This is not saying all or even most followers of these religions will follow that path, but that they need to water down or ignore some of the core theology to fully operate in a diverse society.
Actually there are schools of theology in both of these religions that enshrine diversity and embrace interoperability with other religions. They are just not mainstream because guess what? Mainstream religion is owned by power, and all that power is fascist essentially. Sure enough there are no true believers in anything but power in mainstream religions, start stripping them down on theology field and they reveal it.
I mean, just have a look at any works by Hakim Bey and Tim Morton’s latest book.
Christianity is arguably the historically most successful attempt at centralizing power. And it was a political tool from start.
ah, but if you completely ignore all that you can pretend it’s just a harmless religion
It’s fairly contradictory, actually. With the whole punishing the children of sinning fathers, then having a verse that says that the sins of the father are not the sins of the son, or something like that.
TL;DR, depends on if you are old testament?
The problem is not in the old testament. Mainstream judaism doesn’t claim you need to be a jew to achieve salvation.
A “true” believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.
I mean they have a moral imperative to try within whatever limits their interpretation of the religion imposes, but that’s it. It’s not like these religions imply, say, putting followers of other religions in reeducation camps. One can fully operate in a diverse society while still thinking “I’m right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to this thing,” for the same reason having political opinions isn’t mutually exclusive with diversity. BTW Islam =/= Islamism. The former is a religion; the latter is a political ideology based on the religion.
When you believe that if someone disagrees with you they are going to be tortured for eternity, burning books sounds a lot like a lesser evil.
Again, you’re assuming that this belief exists in a vacuum and not as part of an elaborate belief system with clauses specifically meant to address this. Besides, your average leftist believes that if you (well society at large more like) disagree with them millions if not billions of people will be condemned to lifelong poverty for generations. The scale is a bit smaller than eternal damnation, but really this is just how it goes when you have strong/high-stakes opinions about anything.
Minor correction. Islam is the religion. Islamism is, essentially, the attempted application of said religion into politics or state law.
Well, until my idea is to burn all people called Gene for whatever reason AND I somehow get the means to act upon my flawless idea. Then it’s not so delightful and exciting anymore, at least not for the Genes.
\-Thanks Gene
“Wait. I’m going to your hell? …haha, checkmate, I don’t believe in your hell!!”
“Wow, me too! Let’s go and fuck some shit up!”“Wow, me too! Let’s go and fuck
some shit up!, so that we are going to both hells!” XD
I don’t know about Islamic texts, but the Bible doesn’t really say much about hell. If you want to learn about hell, you have to go to preachers. Fire and brimstone is their bread and butter. The more they talk about hell, the more money they make.
Even the “lake of fire” Jesus talks about is a reference to burn pits outside of town where they got rid of garbage. Almost as if taking everything in the bible literally is the wrong lense.
Exactly. There is no actual “hell” in the bible, it’s a lake of fire, which is not even a lake. Christians have no clue what their bible actually says. Spoiler Alert: there is no satan.
From what I understand, the early church didn’t teach anything extra extra-biblical about hell. Until the Roman Empire made it the official religion in 380. Coincidence?
Yeah, it’s funny how they take it literally but also infer things that aren’t implied, like that the snake in the garden was satan. It just says a snake in the story… That leap is all theirs.
Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” That’s apocalyptic literature, which people interpret in a variety of ways, but it does mention Satan and describes him as a serpent, so it is not a complete leap.
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the entire modern idea of “hell” pretty much just comes from dantes inferno, which is funny cause that was basically just fan fiction dante wrote so that he could pretend to interact with the girl next door he never got a chance to talk to
And they are going to be very good friends in hell
Perhaps even roommates
:m
No-one on this planet discovered the true religion and we all go to alien hell.
Bahaha stupid idiots. Praise Gorlmok!
As a LaVeyan Satanist, and former Christian, I can tell you that the Christian bible doesn’t mention hell that much, and when it does it’s a metaphor. The idea of hell as a fiery undeworld with nine different levels comes from Dante’s Inferno. It’s the first part of a 14th century Italian poem called The Devine Comedy.
I cannot speak for Islam. I have no experience with that religion.
I think it’s funny that so much of popular Christian imagery is from essentially fanfiction written by that guy.
Have you ever read this thing? Technically we’re not even allowed to go to the bathroom.
What?
On a sidenote Quran covers look photogenic as hell so why didn’t they use the real thing as prop?
It sure does suck that everybody who believes in an afterlife goes to Hell when they die. I personally don’t believe it to be the case, but that doesn’t change it from being the reality.
Religions of a feather flock together, they are just missing a Jew. Those wacky Abrahamic religions I’ll tell yah.
Neither of these bitches have actually read their own books
Of course not, they’d go to hell for knowing how to read
I have never been far enough from my own body to know if there is any truth to heaven and hell but i am willing to say that limbo is real because of my limite exposure to these spiritual things
