• OshagHennessey@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Why, so you can preach “unity” and “looking forward, not backward” while you decline to prosecute?

    Call in the State National Guard or admit you’re part of the controlled opposition already.

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      This is directly contradicted not just by the article but also by the headline.

      Just to remind you the headline was “Gov. Tim Walz encourages Minnesotans to film ICE agents for future prosecutions” emphasis added.

      The first part of the article says:

      Gov. Tim Walz encouraged Minnesota residents to carry their phones at all times to record federal immigration actions, promising during a statewide address on Wednesday night that “accountability is coming” for abuses by federal officers.

      Emphasis added again.

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      The issue with calling in the National Guard… is that Trump could immediately federalize the National Guard. So then you’d have a bunch of ICE thugs with National Guard protecting them.

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        Walz mobilized the National Guard yesterday, I think he sees this coming. If they are already under his order, and then Trump federalizes them, they’ll have to make choices.

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    This is simply not a good enough answer. Justice for another season. Walz, like most Democrats, is misreading the moment to such a grave extent there will be no future for this country. This is not an age for consigliere.

    The American way of doing things is over. The advocates and defenders of process handed the reigns of power to someone who doesn’t believe system and they will not be handing those reigns back. Why would they?

    Walz might feel like they’ve got their hands tied. If they activate the national guard, Trump can effectively take them over too. Police, Sheriff departments, we see them in the live streams with the backs to ICE and batons ready to put even more violence against the residents and protesters.

    The answer is for Walz to conscript every day Minnesotans into a civil defense force. If Trump is going to turn ICE into a paramilitary force to brutalize and oppress everyday citizens, it’s time to take those who show up and turn them into a force to oppose ICE. Waiting too long to take a significant enough action which will actually make a difference is how we got here.

    This isn’t a both sides issue. It’s time for a change.

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      The problem is complex:
      ICE has all the intel to know where they want to show up. Hard to direct masses if you have no prior knowlege where, and one can bet on ICE escalating into shooting at protesters (they’re not national guard nor army but trump’s personal armed forces and can do what they want basically).
      Everyone of them counts and is sure of his orders being above any law because trump says so. A good chunk of the police and judiciary system also is fully under trump’s thumb so the only ones to be prosecuted will be the protesters.

      But on top of it all, at least half the country, on both sides, thinks its best to let trump have his hissyfit of a regime and “all will be fixed when the midterms come” … well the year of the midterms is here and things are only heating up more … soon it will be “we’ll hold out 'till 2028 or when trump dies and there will be peaceful elections to calm the country”…

      The majority is so brainwashed about internal workings of the USA as told in school they can’t see it has turned into a full on fascist country now, with a dictator on top, including the razzia’s like the Nazi’s used to do in WW2 …it is all already here!
      This IS what Anne Frank was hiding from on that attic!

      And it will NOT go away peacefully. Not now, not at the midterms and not in 2028, not even upon trump’s death.

      Not just trump but every single person currently working for the trump regime will try to avoid the regime’s collapse because it will not bring good things…

      “I was only following orders” was not a valid excuse in 1946, nor will it be if the regime falls so those involved will forcefully keep it on course.

      The time will come where membership lists of the democratic party will be confiscated and those on it will be targeted for punishment.

  • OshagHennessey@lemmy.world
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    Justice delayed is justice denied. Order your state police to arrest these law-breaking ICE agents, fire any who decline to do so, and appoint new people who will.

    Stop relying on your voters to do your job for you.

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    Good. Use a really high resolution camera with a decent telephoto lens if you can.

    Stay well away from being a target, but close enough that you can catch everything clearly.

    Keep a handful of SD cards (preferrably use a micro SD card in a tray and swap it out for a fullsized if it looks like you may get picked up… The full size card may throw them off enough so they won’t be looking for a micro one - they’re not the brightest of men) on hand to swap out if things heat up and you’ve got damming evidence, and wear clothes that you can tuck that micro card into a pocket that won’t get found easily.

    I expect that if things go sideways for Trump as his dementia takes hold even more, he may try and mass pardon the ICE agents, but the states will need vidence to bring charges. Yeah, there are those saying don’t bother, we need violence - and that may be the case we get there, but if that rabbit gets pulled out of the hat and the mid-terms roll out with a democratic sweep, the states will need as much evidence as they can get.

    The only thing Trump knows is lawsuits. His MO is what Roy Cohn taught him.

    He’s a massive pussy which is why he gets self-loathing, angry goons to fight for him - Steven Miller is exactly that, a Roy Cohn copy, (who also suffers from Little Mans Disease) and he will be thrown under the bus like EVERY thug that thought they could be “Big Men” working for the NY kiddie fucker.

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      but if that rabbit gets pulled out of the hat and the mid-terms roll out with a democratic sweep, the states will need as much evidence as they can get.

      As if. It’ll just be more: “Now is not the time to hold grudges. We must look towards the future, not the past. We will extend our hand to our republican brothers…” The same yadda yadda yadda every time the democrats get any semblance of power.

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        They’ll feel a little scared, because they’re cowards, but if nothing actually happens they’ll just use it to justify more violence where people don’t fight back with any teeth.

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          so what just go with self defeat? part of the way things got this bad is stupid people never giving up on bad ideas so if you want to say that ice will never be prosecuted don’t blame me if you are right but I’m going to be stupid for good

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            I’m saying that you have to do more. Taking some pictures of them might be easy but the reason the US is where it is is because a bunch of weak-willed people refused to anything truly effective because it was difficult.

            I’m sure glad I’m not in the US, but likewise I still have the same anger towards my fellow Canadians for being too chicken-shit to actually stand up for themselves. Fuck, convincing a lot of us to just vote for our beliefs is hard enough.

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    Whelp, I had hope Walz would handle it better. Nope, just another establishment dem with his hand in his ass waiting for it to be over.

    Get your states guard out in the streets, arresting these domestic terrorists now. They are operating under unlawful orders. The only viable opportunity is summary execution for said terrorism

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      The only viable opportunity is summary execution for said terrorism

      Nope. That’s not gonna work at all.

      Trump will call up the actual military and the National Guard doesn’t have the biggest guns.