The Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney addressed the National Press Club this afternoon and used the opportunity to outline what she says will ...
Except they’re not in Parliament. The Voice is a body that can make submissions to Parliament; they don’t get to make the decisions. Parliament is still made up of elected representatives.
This is why I don’t see the point of the whole thing. If it gives no special powers/rights… whats the point? I’d rather see an official treaty than a powerless voice.
I don’t follow. I’m not saying its either/or, I’m saying the voice looks like it will achieve nothing if it has no powers or additional rights. If it has the same access to parliament as existing lobbying bodies, why is it needed?
I understand the need for reconciliation and to improve outcomes for indigenous people, I just don’t see how a body with no power can achieve it.
It seems like the yes camp are trying to have it both ways. To those leaning towards yes: “Yay its going to make a difference!” While at the same time those wary and leaning to no: “It won’t change anything or have any real power”. Which is it? I’m confused.
So if they can make submissions to parliament and the executive on matters, which don’t have to acted upon, why do we need constitutional reform to allow it as part of our government. Aren’t their numerous other organisations that do this already, provide advice to parliament on matters affecting First Nations people though their representatives?
It needs a constitutional change to ensure that it stays around and can become a part of the fabric of how things are done in the longer term. Even though it is relatively powerless, there is potential for it to provide influence over time for the betterment of First Nations People, but that would be lost if the next government just disbanded it as has happened in the past.
Except they’re not in Parliament. The Voice is a body that can make submissions to Parliament; they don’t get to make the decisions. Parliament is still made up of elected representatives.
This is why I don’t see the point of the whole thing. If it gives no special powers/rights… whats the point? I’d rather see an official treaty than a powerless voice.
We can still have both. This isn’t a valid argument against the voice.
I don’t follow. I’m not saying its either/or, I’m saying the voice looks like it will achieve nothing if it has no powers or additional rights. If it has the same access to parliament as existing lobbying bodies, why is it needed?
I understand the need for reconciliation and to improve outcomes for indigenous people, I just don’t see how a body with no power can achieve it.
It seems like the yes camp are trying to have it both ways. To those leaning towards yes: “Yay its going to make a difference!” While at the same time those wary and leaning to no: “It won’t change anything or have any real power”. Which is it? I’m confused.
So if they can make submissions to parliament and the executive on matters, which don’t have to acted upon, why do we need constitutional reform to allow it as part of our government. Aren’t their numerous other organisations that do this already, provide advice to parliament on matters affecting First Nations people though their representatives?
It needs a constitutional change to ensure that it stays around and can become a part of the fabric of how things are done in the longer term. Even though it is relatively powerless, there is potential for it to provide influence over time for the betterment of First Nations People, but that would be lost if the next government just disbanded it as has happened in the past.