Discovered recently that Electric Wizard were kinda dicks back in the day. “At the time, we were pretty bad people. I got arrested for arson of a car, outside a police station. Tim [Bagshaw] went to nick a crucifix off a church roof so we could use it onstage…”
R. L. Burnside killed a man “possibly at a craps game.”
Varg of Mayhem Burzum burned a couple churches and killed a bandmate.
I could list other examples, but would like to hear from other people and other music genres.
So, I’m the moderator of !ClassicRock…how do you want me to start the list? Chronologically, quantity, severity??
Severity Top 5
How about in order of “Most Pedophilic” to “Least Pedophilic”. I’m aware that this list will be pretty top-heavy
So Gary Glitter is gonna either start or end the list…
jimmy page too, with his 13 year old girlfriend that he kept locked in a hotel
Never heard that one. It’s pretty common knowledge that Bowie, The Stones, Led Zeppelin and all of the massive stars of that era were fucking teenage groupies that followed them but 13…….eek that’s a few notches worse.
i believe page was 29 years old too, so its an even bigger gap. and it wasnt just casual sex dude was “dating” her (basically keeping her captive in his hotel room)
Yeah let’s go by severity
Well, if it’s shitty things you want: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews_Band_Chicago_River_incident
Passenger boat Chicago’s Little Lady was hosting the 1 p.m. Chicago Architecture Foundation tour of the Chicago River.
all passengers were issued refunds.
The boat’s deck was swabbed by its crew, and service was resumed for its scheduled 3 p.m. tour.
This boat crew is the most metal thing in this entire post.
What probably happened is that the boat absolutely stank, and they decided not to tell the people at 3pm what had transpired
Stench? That’s just the river.
Oh… fuck
Oh… shit
Arguably their release with the most lasting cultural impact
Came in here to mention how much a of a dick Maynard was to a seamstress friend of mine. It was an hour or so before showtime and she had the audacity to replace the button on his vintage leather Cavaricci pants with one that wasn’t an actual Cavaricci button. He treated her like a foolish peasant that should have been more prepared to deal with an elite. Seems kinda light considering the other posts, but anytime I can call him out for being a dick, I’mma do it.
Edit: a letter.
Yeah I am a bug fan of his music, but I can 100% see Maynard being a bit of a dickish prima donna. I guess they can’t all be real ones 😞
Tool were my favourite band for many years. Actually not surprised Maynard is a dick, too much fame.
Tool has been my favorite band for ~25 years now. I’ve been a fan through nearly their entire history and if there’s one thing that’s been a consistent element of the band, it’s that MJK is a fucking prick. No two ways about it. He’s a little shit with a HUGE ego and he’s just not a pleasant human. Creative as hell and damn good at what he does but a massive massive dick head. He’s not the reason I like Tool though and I wouldn’t even call myself an MJK fan, I dislike him in a lot of ways but when it comes to him, Danny, Adam and Justin laying down some badass fuckin jams, no one does it for me like Tool. Danny and Adam especially. They are the core of Tool for me and I think MJK gets waaaaay too much credit for the band.
Spot fucking on.
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I used to love Avenged Sevenfold back in like 2005/2006. They used to fly confederate flags at their concerts, and even had custom guitars with the confederate flag panted on them. Back then I didn’t understand the significance of that, but that’s really fucked.
At least they have apologized for it and said they regret doing it. I believe people are capable of learning from their mistakes, but tbh, I haven’t kept up with them so I’m not sure if they have truly become better people than they were back then.
I never knew that about them. I casually enjoyed a few songs here and there when I heard them and thought they were good but not really my genre of choice. I really respect that they apologized and changed behavior. As somebody in my mid 30s and was therefore mid teens 20 years ago, I also was unaware of the hurt and hate involved with things I saw and said and did at the time. But you’re right, it’s important to be capable of learning and growing and changing behavior and apologizing for the damage done. We all make mistakes, and to pretend otherwise and deny ones own mistakes is a sign of immaturity and responsibility.
As someone also in their mid 30s, I think a lot of people really misunderstand how the confederate flag was viewed so casually by many people up until recently. It was always offensive to some, but I genuinely was unaware of that as a teen growing up in the 2000s. It was just an image of being kind of edgy and rebellious but I genuinely didn’t think much of it seeing any band using them. Watching Skynyrd or Guns N Roses videos of live concerts? There were “rebel flags” pretty often and I just kind of let it go. It meant nothing to me.
I was in my mid 20s, probably, when it really was explained to me how insensitive that can be. I never associated it with racism or slavery up until that point - and I’m pretty sure that’s the same thought that a lot of these bands had. The absolute best thing to do is exactly as you said: own up to it, change your ways, and grow.
There used to be tons of confederate flags in music, even Tom Petty had them on his stage.
Wasn’t one of my favorite bands, but Iistened to them regularly.
Lead singer of As I Lay Dying hired someone to kill his wife. (Guy he hired was actually a cop, so he went to prison)
Fucking Tim! I don’t like As I Lay Dying but I LOVE Austrian Death Machine (another band of his). Sucks that they’ll never make any more music. Arnold Schwarzenegger themed metal is great. NEEAAAAHHHH! GUITAR SOLO!
Came here just for them.
Oh shit, that’s crazy
I grew up on a lot of metal bands, including Iced Earth. Absolutely loved them, even saw them open for Megadeth as a kid.
Then Jon Schaffer went and proudly participated in the Jan 6 attack, so now it’s kinda hard to listen to their music anymore.
Also hard to listen to Megadeth these days, too. Partly because they stopped being good after Risk, but also partly because Dave Mustaine turned into a born-again Christian nutjob.
In hindsight, Jon Schaffer might’ve been a total dick all along considering the huge turnover in IE’s lineup over the years. He’s probably horrible to work with.
Also, looking back, his lyrics about hidden societies fucking shit up for humanity leave a sour taste in my mouth given that he fell in with the whole Q bullshit.
Damn shame because I loved me some IE but now it’s hard to listen to.
Yeah, it definitely puts a bad spin on the Something Wicked story they’d been telling. Which is a shame, because it was cool thinking it was just about aliens and magic curses and shit, but now knowing that he probably believes there’s more truth to that story than he lets on, it just doesn’t feel the same.
Gotta watch out for “hidden societies” because it’s almost always a dog whistle for Jewish people
Oh yeah absolutely. It’s wild how much of this shit comes back to old-fashioned antisemitism when you know where to look.
Was a big fan of eric Clapton but I learned later in that he’s racist so now his music leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I regret seeing him instead of Chris Cornell. I was sure clapton would go before Cornell :(((
Knowing he’s a racist makes it interesting that he made a living off of playing music invented by black people. Also makes it even sweeter that Hendrix destroyed him on stage while jamming with Cream.
It just says that he values money above everything else. Racism is #2.
BB King seemed to disagree that clapton was racist but kinda hard to say that when clapton went on that rant
Back when I was a teenager I loved Lostprophets. I didn‘t hear about Ian Watkins becoming one of the worst people in Wales until a few years after they disbanded.
Crystal Castles is also pain listening to nowadays with Alice and Ethan.
Forgot about Crystal Castles, that’s definitely a strong contender for the top shitty place
What happened with Crystal Castles?
Ethan Kath abused Alice Glass enough to the point of her just up and quitting the band. She was only able to come forward when she found four other women who were abused by Kath .
Wouldn’t say I was a big fan of them at the time, but LostProphets.
Ian Watkins is currently serving a 30 year sentence in prison for multiple child sexual offences - incredibly vile shit.
Apparently people had suspected he was a nonce long before he was arrested.
Many former fans went so far as to burn merch, trash CD’s and pretty much disavow the band once the news came out. His former band mates dissolved the band and started No Devotion in its place.
Came here for the Ian Watkins comment.
Haven’t found another band close to sounding like Lostprophets and it sucks.
Should have been death
deadmau5 used to be a massive internet edgelord for very much over a decade (think the targeted harassment of Krewella was particularly awful, even if their producer shared his lawyer) until he had some heated moments that forced him to realise he wasn’t all there and change his ways. He’s still very truthful about the world of EDM but he’s not the edgelord he once was, and he’s much better for it.
Learning that Rick Derringer and Billy Corgan were guests on The Alex Jones show was a big let down for me
dammit, billy what the fuck
Corgan also put the NWA World Heavyweight Championship on Tyrus who is a massive outspoken transphobe.
I was real excited to see smashing pumpkins live but ended up leaving 7 minutes into his opening rendition of the national anthem because fuck that.
Doesn’t Corgan also have a history of beating his partners, going all the way back to high-school girlfriends?
I’ve never heard that
Iced Earth guitarist was one of the first ones in the door on January 6th. The band pretty much said they disagree with his actions,but not his intent.
Guitarist from Manowar in trouble for being a pedo.
Years ago, Zazz Blammymatazz had a song about getting head from a 14 year old.
Iced Earth guitarist was one of the first ones in the door on January 6th. The band pretty much said they disagree with his actions,but not his intent.
They said nothing about agreeing with his intent. They condemned his actions and left it at that.
It’s also hard to say “the band” as Schaeffer is iced earth. He has been the only constant member and to my understanding owns the rights to their iconography and etc.
Yeah. This is the one that came to my mind.
Dude straight up ended his career. His band members left, label dropped him and his colabs said they wouldn’t work with him anymore.
Turns out he was a lieutenant in the oath keepers and the FBI grabbed him. Last I heard he made a plea deal and got put into the witness protection program.
He is the band and it can’t exist without him. Even if he could continue, he’d have to rebuild it from the ground up.
It’s a shame, I really Loved Demons and Wizards, the iced earth / blind guardian colab group.
… Based on some song lyrics I feel I should have seen this coming when looking back though.
Iced Earth was one of my favorite growing up, but I don’t think it hit as hard because I had discovered so much better USPM in recent years. IE had kind of stagnated after Barlow left the first time.
I’ve only ever known Jon Schaffer to be an arsehole.
Years ago I was freelancing for a German heavy metal fanzine. That zine was attached to a record label, and for a few years ran a festival in its own name. The one year, Iced Earth and Nevermore, who were touring together at the time, were slated to be the headliners. Iced Earth were touring the Dark Saga album, and Nevermore had just released the In Memory EP, so must have been around '96.
I remember having a pleasant conversation with then Nevermore guitarist Pat O’Brien, who was happily browsing the label’s CD stand - dude was big into Death Metal. I remember Jim Sheppard accidentally burning my hand with a cigarette and apologising for it. But what most stuck with me was Schaffer sending out his tour manager to order us to remove all CDs that weren’t of bands playing at the festival. Original quote from the tour manager: “Jon ist schon tierisch sauer” - Jon’s really pissed off.
Through the years Schaffer revealed more and more of his personality, culminating in him joining the Capitol invasion. I can’t even get myself to listen to my favourite Iced Earth album (“Something Wicked”) any more.
I agree, really turned me off to the band, although I will throw on Demons and Wizards from time to time.
Hansi seems nice enough at least.
(please don’t turn out to be a dick)
I don’t think I would handle that well, if Hansi turned out to be a garbage person.
K-K-cocaine is one hell of a drug.
The time Josh Homme kicked that lady in the face
Also this fucker (bassnectar)
I’ve dabbled in listening to EDM more frequently, and when I heard Chasing Heaven by him, I ran up to my roommates who proceeded to open that can of worms… never heard of the guy before that, and won’t listen to him again. Sick fuck on so many levels. The CP is a new one from what I knew then.
Dam, I enjoy a bit of Queens of the Stoneage from time to time.
Band fucking rocks. I don’t know the story of the kick here but he’s a fucking rock star. Don’t go to a show and think you won’t get kicked
He’s still one of my favorite musicians to be fair…compared to most people in this thread he’s golden
Lol he did it intentionally and she was a photographer for the concert. There’s a video of it you can see. He’s clearly being a dick. You shouldn’t be expected to get kicked in the face at a rock show???
I have always loved Rammstein and I still do, however this summer their vocalist was accused of sexual abuse of fans or something but the lawyers found no offense so nothing happened, though apparently they did have a manager for finding hot fans for the band’s aftershow parties which is kinda nasty but not illegal
It’s nothing rockstars haven’t done since there have been rockstars really. It used to be sort of acceptable but times have changed for the better.
All musicians have done the same thing from the beginning of time. Some are sucks like Jagger going for under she girls where others just want to pay with got chicks that usually want to party to.
Justin Sane, frontman of punk rock’s Anti-Flag, was recently accused of “predatory behavior, sexual assault, and statutory rape.”
Allegedly he’d eyefuck girls from the stage during shows in a very “That’s right, I’m a rockstar, lookin’ at you” kind of way, and somehow get them invited backstage later.
His bandmates disbanded after the news broke. Bandmates say they weren’t aware, that they stand with the victims, and they condemn his actions.
I saw Anti-Flag at a small venue years back and it makes me wonder if it happened to fellow concertgoers that night.
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I haven’t listened to a ton of Anti-Flag in recent years, but they were a big part of me getting into punk decades ago and this one sucked to find out.
This one gets to me. Not because I liked them that much, but because Justin has always been a dick and I could just write it off as “yeah they were a bunch of dicks but they put on a good show”. An Anti-Flag show in the 2000s, here at least, was one of the few times a punk show wasn’t in a basement somewhere, so it was absolutely THE place to be if you were in the scene. They also frequently had great bands with them so it always made for a great time.
But after the accusations came out it left a real bad taste realizing that he’s probably much more than “just a dick”.
I just saw them with Flogging Molly. Must have been one of their very last shows. They’re new album is so good, but they’re dead to me.
