The arbitrary 8.5-9 hour workday drives me nuts, because a lot of the time, I really only have 3 or 4 hours worth of work to do. I generally work quickly and I value my time. Can I make a decent living doing something that gives me this kind of flexibility?
IT or software development.
As someone in the field. I assure you, you do not work just a few hours and then go home. Software development take infinite time and any well run shop will definitely notice if you work a half day by your output vs others. IT is even worse since problems are basically constant.
I guess you can work at badly run shops, but enjoy being laid off and then failing to get a job eventually from having a stale resume.
Maybe if all you’re doing is turning a crank to shit out boilerplate all day
I literally don’t understand what you mean by this? Software development isn’t typing all day, but it is engagement all day. Coding, documentation, meetings about so much shit. So much more. There is always some kind of work to be done and that’s why if you’re not careful you can easily overwork yourself in this field. It never stops. You stop it, but at the same time deadlines exist and it takes effort to even make those sane.
Yeah, but someone who fixes 12 bugs a week doesn’t make any more money than someone who fixes 6 bugs a week.
This was a lesson that was hard for me to learn, but finally I figured out that working my ass off every week wasn’t actually getting me ahead. The stuff that actually got me attention only took a few hours every week.
So now I set reasonable expectations. Sure, if I worked every minute I could crank out 12 bug fixes, but I don’t want to have that much stress. I’m going to sign up for 4 I know I can fix with time to spare, giving myself lots of buffer in case one ends up being a lot harder.
In fact, sometimes signing up for just 1, but it’s the hardest one, is actually the most impactful but the least stressful.
Not taking on too much means I can take a break in the middle of the day, or finish a little early, knowing I’m meeting my expectations.
But more importantly, I can spend a few hours every week looking for opportunities to go above and beyond - something that’s annoying everybody but never seems to be prioritized by anyone. I also have more time to mentor others. And THAT sort of thing is what gets me recognized when it comes time for bonuses and promotions.
All of that without working overtime.
failing to get a job eventually from having a stale resume.
People have been saying this but I have yet to encounter such issues as a network engineer or sysadmin. I’m going to dodge this recruiting hell others are willing to go through until the day I die. More than 2 rounds of interviews are just HR buffoonery. Expecting expertise in every single branch of a field is nonsense and only accomplishes that applicants lie on their resumes. There are days when everything is running smoothly and all I have to do is sent 3 emails out of home office and there’s nothing wrong with that.
For software engineer resume rot is definitely a thing. Everything has a 5 year timer on it even thr stuff that doesn’t out right die. C# has been around for like 20 years something like that but try to only know about the ecosystem from more than 5 year ago and you’re gonna have a bad time.
I can’t speak on network or sysadmin stuff, but I do know from a coworker friend that they get paid way less are are considered more expendable, so you’re probably right that it’s work that doesn’t change much. Still I’m surprised to hear you say that you have a lot of downtime or maybe I have only worked at trashfires
I’ve been around for a while and there are plenty of IT Jobs that’ll burn you out but there are also super chill positions. My last job change was a downgrade money wise and my boss who I was supposed to replace soon made fun of me for that decision but he missed his daughter growing up because he was working 24/7. She’s an alcoholic now and doesn’t want anything to do with him but “if you want to succeed you have to make sacrifices” he always said. The guy next door to my office literally died in his sleep after being completely stressed out for a year. Heart just stopped. Mid fifties. I quit shortly after. I now only take jobs that are chill as fuck because I’ve learned from their mistakes.
You’d be surprised how many jobs just requires you to sit in a chair all day looking busy.
I do my dayjob, in an office with the screen not visible to anyone else, and when there is no work to do I go ahead and do some of my independent work. I look busy as heck all 8 workhours. I get no extra reqests to “help out”, or last minute critical whatever.
I make 2.5-3x my job salary.Very possible in tech. You want to look for somewhere product-focused (no agencies), large, and well-established that will give you a WFH position. I do design work and have this type of schedule, though I am always very responsive and available between 9-5 if someone needs something from me so I’m not holding anyone up and making anyone annoyed. I keep up with my deliverables comfortably and have flexibility to have both really productive and really meh days without it being problematic.
I think they call that freelance/independent contractor.
Get into a trade, and start your own business maybe? Like carpentry etc. You gotta learn and it’s a life long process since every job is different, but I’ve gained some much needed autonomy this way. The job is done when you are done, and that’s when you get paid.
It’s not for everyone, and takes some capitol and experience so that’s a fairly large barrier to do this, but after 16 years I’ve finally gotten some much needed freedom.
“Is there a job that will pay me a full wage without requiring me to sit at a desk all day because I’m ‘supposed to’?”
“Yeah, just invest 16 years in learning a trade and building a business, you can totally work 4 hour days.”
What is with the comments here? Did you even read the post?
Nope, I even had one of those it was in maintenance. I had a set list of daily, weekly, monthly tasks , as well as w/e can up in between those, and on call certain days on a rotation with the other guy. As soon as our work was complete we could clock off and just go onto call frte remainder of our shift instead of mill around doing nothing waiting for a call. But with weekly and monthly routine maintenance tasks to do it was usually only a few days a week that we could knock off early and just be available if needed.
Then all of a sudden the manager got all whiny, “I have to be here mywhole shift , why don’t you guys” blah blah blah. Fucking cry baby.
Anyway I refused to follow their orders of staying till the end of my shift until I eventually was fired. Because I was following the shift I was hired to do, and given no valid reason of why the shift needed to change, other than some butthurt sack of shit.
So the tl:Dr of that is it might start that way but eventually some piss baby is going to get it changed on you.
Damn near every workplace becomes a little tyranny run by a petty person who flexes their power for no reason other than to justify their existence.
We all need unions.
Was a window washer for years. If you work for yourself the pay can be good… really good, like 6 figures part time good.
If you get routine work from local businesses you can just show up when it’s convenient, do your thing, get paid, and decide if you want to hit another one of your jobs or call it for the day.Great, honest work.
@GizmoLion The swishy smooth lines you guys make with the squeegee on the giant plate glass windows were my one of my favorite parts of the day when I worked at gas stations.
This is (typically) contracting. Usually you’ll have some meetings but otherwise it’s deliverables
Be a residential plumber.
Nursing offers a different kind of flexibility. Obviously there’s no option to “get the work done” and leave a particular shift early, but full time is only 3 days a week for me. We do self-scheduling, so I can manipulate my schedule to be able to do what I want. And I’m working the entire time I’m on the clock, as opposed to sitting in a office staring at a wall doing nothing.
There are also so many options for different working environments, per diem jobs where you can work whenever you want as much as you want, lots of bonus pay.
I have a two year degree and carry the same license as four year degree Registered Nurses (United States).
I’mma be real, I don’t see how nursing is in any way an answer to this question. This person is trying to escape their 9-5 grind, do you really think they’re interested in going to school for the next 4 years? I wouldn’t call the schedule of an RN “flexible” either.
That’s why I mentioned I have a two year degree with a full RN license. It’s a very viable career switch option. I got my license at age 40, after a couple decades slogging in office management jobs.
And flexibility of schedule is one of the top cited benefits that nurses mention they love about their jobs. I’m surprised more people aren’t aware of that
https://wheniwork.com/blog/flexible-scheduling-in-healthcare
Holy white collar salaried bubble.
None of you people have even heard of hourly pay??
Nah, I’ve worked blue collar, white collar, retail, all kinds of jobs (I have ADHD and have job-hopped a lot). Every job I’ve ever had has been “you work these days, from this time to this time,” even if that means there’s hours of downtime. In fact, the only salary job I’ve had has been the most flexible, but I was still expected in office from 9 to 5. All my other jobs have been hourly and I’ve always been expected to be there for a set number of hours, no matter the type of work.
Bullshit. What jobs?
And if it’s “waiting for customers” that is called on-call work and they legally have to pay you for it. Because it’s work.
What the fuck hourly jobs are you seeing that allow you to leave whenever you want? What an intentionally obtuse take…
Damn near all of them, what boss is paying you to sit around and do nothing? Work runs out, you go home. Whether that’s your shift ending or the store closing or the job finished or work can’t continue for some reason. Hell, you’re ordered to go home.
Also, and separately, fuck you.
I don’t know where you live, but what you’re describing is not the norm in any developed country I’ve visited. Hourly jobs come with a schedule. You’re expected to be at work for the entire scheduled shift, it has nothing to do with amount of work to be done. If you just decide to leave halfway through your shift, you will be fired.
As an aside, if you were paid hourly and only worked a few hours a week, you wouldn’t make any fucking money. That’s kinda how hourly compensation works, you have to BE AT WORK for an hour if you wish to be paid for that hour.
Got any more dumbass fucking shit to say? Get bent.
If you just decide to leave halfway through your shift
(literally the opposite of what OP asked about)
dumbass fucking shit
Speaking of that
As an aside, if you were paid hourly and only worked a few hours a week, you wouldn’t make any fucking money.
Yeah why the fuck do you think so many people are so goddamn poor? So you’re wrong, angry, AND entitled. Trifecta. Try being poor for once in your life, then you’ll find a better place to put your anger.
dumbass fucking shit
(literally the opposite of what OP asked about)
I’m not talking to the OP, I’m talking to you. Shut the fuck up and pay attention.
Yeah why the fuck do you think so many people are so goddamn poor? So you’re wrong, angry, AND entitled. Trifecta. Try being poor for once in your life, then you’ll find a better place to put your anger.
First time in my life I’ve ever been accused of being rich. I can only assume you’re very young, because you have no fucking idea how any of this shit works. People are poor for a multitude of reasons, but it sure as shit isn’t because they get to leave work whenever the hell they want. Where the fuck did you even get that idea?
You think having a set shift means you’re on-call? Sit down, shut up, and learn something; on-call means you go home and eat one bite of your dinner then the phone rings and you have to go back to work. On-call means they own you even when you’re at home. On-call means your time is not your own, you can be called into work at any time regardless of anything you have going on, be it food, sleep, doesn’t matter. Going to work and staying there for 8 hours is just called having a fucking job. You should try it some time, it’ll open your eyes to all kinds of shitty fucking truths.
Ah, you’re just trolling. Got it. Find another dick to suck.
