>Be Putin
>Invade Ukraine to prevent NATO expansion.
>2 more countries join NATO.
>MFW
Ehhhh, it was always just an excuse, just like all the other reasons that they invented. Nazis, NATO, will of the people, whatever bullshit he came up with, the real reason was always because there’s was money to be made by owning their land.
I know, it’s just so fun to engage on that level because the logic is truly incomprehensible. Like pretend the US or NATO actually wanted to invade Russia or whatever they’re trying to imply by saying that shit. They’re feeling a million times better about it now than 10 years ago since Russia has been revealed as a paper tiger, with soviet vehicle and ammo stocks depleted and nearly a million casualties for a chunk of land, not to mention the fact that they got counter-invaded and it took 7 MONTHS to recapture their own fucking land. I really want to hammer this home. They couldn’t defend their own territory from an incursion of an estimated 10-12,000 Ukrainians for SEVEN. MONTHS. An actual superpower would bowl through to Moscow faster than the vatniks thought they would take Kiev.
In our pretend land where someone actually wants to invade Russia for some reason, they’re gong to identify the fact that they could break the entire Russian offensive (probably the entire military) with a single carrier group, and do that.
Yes, Putin squandered away a lot of his power with this war and the inability to adjust the plan after it failed (the historic traffic jam north of Kiev). But the issue always was, is, and will be: the wildcards. They got nukes. They might not work well, but who knows. It makes it technically impossible for any nation to ever “break the entire russian offensive” without some serious gambling.
Xi gets pissed whenever Putin threatens with nuke and tells Putin to stop with the bluff. That being said, it is a sign that Russia’s actual influence is eroding because of the war, and that Russia’s sovereignty is slowly being captured by China.
Even historians in 1000 years will not comprehend this brilliant move by mr. president, in eyes of those uninitiated to the complex art of geopolitics it may seem like the dumbest blunder.
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the Finns decided to give it up with almost no debate.
I wonder if there was any event that make them worried about being invaded.
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You’re an even better western propagandist than you must think I am. You say the west basically forced putin’s hand in getting vast quantities of soldiers and soviet vehicles blown up in disorganized pushes, thus making Russia infinitely more vulnerable than it was prior to 2022? Not to mention…
western fomented coup
Support for joining the EU was already high. Yanukovych won the 2010 election promising closer economic ties to the EU. His sudden refusal to sign a trade agreement resulted in protests. Violent crackdown on protests resulted in revolution. For you to believe the west caused this, you would have to believe they psyop’d 70+% of the Ukrainian population into leaning towards the EU, then somehow convinced the Russian puppet to lie to get elected, then set off the aforementioned events.
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To be fair, the Russians do have an answer to that: Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’ governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.
To be fair yet again, that answer is a load of bullshit, those democratic governments have plenty of genuine popular support, the people in these countries are anti-Russian because of personal experiences with the Russian state, not just because of propaganda, and the USA, while influential to an outsized degree, is obviously not just “calling the shots” on the entire western world. Things would look very different if they were.
To continue to be fair, that whole claim is just DARVOing about what Russian spies are doing to the west.
They spent two decades saying this and then installed a puppet dictator in america lmao
Lolllllllllll… Fk I hope we can laugh about this in 10-20 years.
And the thing is, many European countries don’t even want to join NATO specifically, they want to join the EU-- a non-military, supranational organisation. However, the Russian government see the EU and NATO as one and the same, even though many EU members are not NATO members themselves and don’t want to be.
Speaking of “calling the shots”, the EU and/or UK narratives are even funnier. If some country in Europe takes action against Russian government:
- And the US agrees with that: “US made their puppet do that”
- And the US disagrees or obviously not involved: “Ha, US can’t control their corrupt puppets!”, or “The anglosaxon deepstate strikes again”
I’m way more worried of the anglo-dane deep state. It’s so deep some think it vanished an age ago, but I know they are still out there, just biding their time
Well, I innfiltrated Denmark so I hope to find the deepvikingstate jarl, befriend him and affect his decisions.
I thank you for your service!
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Europe was trying not to fight with Russia (although it’s time to, and I’m speaking as a Russian), but if you only watched TV, you would never know.
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Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’
Yeah, that’s serious cultural appropriation against the russians.
Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’ governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.
Even if, unless you’re planning offensive actions, you shouldn’t be worried about countries joining a defensive military structure.
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Nice ragebait lmao.
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The Russian state uses nationalism to distract their own people from the state’s own corruption. It is a tried and tested obfuscation to maintain power and control over the masses.
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It’s day 1167 of a 3 day SMO. Is putin bad at counting?
Cue conspiracies about NATO strong-arming countries into joining to further the imperialist agenda of the United States (and their goal of making Russia a scapegoat for all the world’s problems). Yes they exist.
Oh yeah the US never strong-armed anyone, they just ask nicely.
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Why does Russia, the largest country, not simply join NATO?
It was considered at one point in the 90s.
Really was a consideration all the way up until mid 00’s. After 9/11 Russia warmed to NATO when they expanded the “war on terror” and even became a part of a permanent joint council.
Relations soured when Russia started dicking around in Ukraine and Georgia again in 04 and 08. Russia’s version of soft power is basically empowering local oligarchs by giving them cushy oil/mineral deals and have them get involved in their respective countries politics. A big part of the orange revolution was kicking out the pro Kremlin oligarchs.
Russia’s transition from soft to hard power has always been funding and supporting “separatist groups” like they did in Georgia and Ukraine. It’s always the same fucking playbook.
Before both sides walked away. Both sides had shit that the other side wanted nothing to do with… and it mostly involved Russia insisting it be allowed to keep a sphere of influence (read puppet and slave states with no autonomy or say in their own affairs)
Russia will never abandon its imperialist ideology without a Nuremberg style purge
And NATO. in sight of that imperialist ambition. Wanted nothing to do with Russia. There was also the matter of Russia being a mobster state.
Boris Yeltsin sure did drink a lot, eh?
They’ve tried on more than occasion, but been rejected.
They don’t have to. They just interfere in our politics
well, to be fair… remember the Cuban missile crisis?
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The community name checks out😉
How about this for a thought
Western countries just negotiate with Russia and everyone agrees that Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region.
Instead everyone wants to shoehorn Ukraine into NATO even if it costs us all the risk of nuclear war.
Ukraine can still be protected and defended by western interests in other ways without involving NATO.
The big sticking point here is NATO … take it off the negotiating table, then you can see where the Russians are at.
Otherwise, there’s a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because someone wants to join an exclusive club?
Western countries just negotiate with Russia and everyone agrees that Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region.
Joining NATO would destabilize the entire region because… it would force Russia to invade Ukraine even harder?
Have you considered why Ukraine wants to join NATO so fucking badly?
The big sticking point here is NATO … take it off the negotiating table, then you can see where the Russians are at.
Invading Ukraine, like they did in 2014, long before NATO membership was a consideration for Ukraine?
The reason why Russia is so staunchly against Ukraine (or any other countries) joining NATO is because it makes it that much harder to start a landgrab war.
Otherwise, there’s a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because someone wants to join an exclusive club?
There’s a war being fought with a steady stream of people dying because Russia invaded with the intent to murder Ukrainians and exterminate Ukraine as an independent nation.
Ukraine wanting to join the “Don’t invade me” club is hardly fucking surprising in light of that.
Ukraine doesn’t join NATO because doing so destabilizes the entire region
Damn I’m really excited for the mental gymnastics you’ll need to explain this lmaoo.
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So, it’s not “destabilizing the region”, it’s making russia mad.
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They have been at war for 3 years. Nothing about the situation is stable.
In fact, letting Ukraine join NATO would bring stability, since that would prevent Putin from invading again.
But Putin doesn’t want that, because Putin wants to invade Ukraine even more.
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A country that is threatening with the use of nuclear missiles is never a stable situation. I don’t think that’s a good argument to avoid protecting vulnerable states from those countries.
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“Proposing that a country join a defence pact only activated in case of an attack on the country is aggravating any potential aggressors”
Jesus Christ.
“Cartels murdering people in your town? Just don’t talk to the cops, that’s how you stay safe.”
You fail to see something very obvious - that criminal might still kill me on a whim, because he feels like it. However, if uncle sam comes and points a loaded gun at the guy at any given time, I’m feeling a lot more safe because the guy might be more angry, but he doesn’t want to die.
What was said in 1997 is irrelevant in 2025 - russia was a different country back then. That was before the second chechen war, the invasion of georgia, the bombing of syria and the war against the ukraine. I’m pretty sure both parties would say something differnt these days.
Ukraine wants to join NATO specifically to prevent Russia from invading again. What do you not get about that?
Ukraine can be protected without NATO? Like that deal they made where they gave up the nuclear missiles in exchange for security guarantees? Yeah, nice try. Once again you’re defending putin’s imperialism with weak excuses, what a surprise.
Putin could just not invade countries and nobody would want to join NATO.
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Tbf, if Ukraine joins NATO, that gives NATO a way around the mountains to attack RU, so I can see why that would upset them…
…but yeah if RU wasn’t invading people all the goddamn time this would be a lot less of an issue lmao, RU is their own worst enemy.
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The real path for peace is to get Russia to demilitarize
Please explain how you think this has any chance of happening short of literal wizards showing up
