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I wouldn’t be surprised if Alphabet has used data from all these sources all the time.
That’s actually the reason I don’t use gmail except for registering Android, or use google calender, or google search except occasionally. I have my youtube account separate from my Android, and I don’t allow any cloud services, like photo or any other storage or sync services.
The power Google can gain from using these things in combination is huge, just like Facebook influenced the 2016 US presidential election, Google/Alphabet could use this for both political and financial gains to an enormous degree, that would have been completely unheard of prior to Internet becoming widely used.
They explicitly stated that they do not.
They have a lot of rules around data control and privacy that are followed internally because the engineers care to toe the line of public statements.
I hate to burst your bubble, but Google lies.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/google-pay-155-million-settlements-over-location-tracking-2023-09-15/
Wait wait wait
You’re telling me multinational mega-corporations lie? That can’t be right.
For the last three decades, tech companies have been operating in a “Ask for forgiveness, not permission” mentality.
Microsoft didn’t get such a large monopoly by playing fair. Neither did Google, Amazon, Uber, etc.
They have always said one thing, the courts found it to be inaccurate, and then they go “Oops” and pay $500 million “cost of doing business” while making 1000+ billion.
Except you can have one account to cover all those Google services. Meaning it must be trivial for Alphabet/Google to do the same.
Just because your average engineer isn’t allowed to, doesn’t mean they can’t do it at “special requests”, like law enforcement or “research”.
To put it another way, it’s to much potential power to entrust with a single company.
Can’t wait for bard to join the google graveyard with stadia once the ai fad passes!
If it passes.
I hope it passes.
Why? I think it’s amazing. I fiddle with text-to-image and LLMs daily (running locally of course) and I find them to be very interesting.
I don’t mean that…I mean how pretty much every product nowadays has some sort of new “groundbreaking AI features”. AI’s got tons of practical applications, but companies are really overblowing the whole thing.
It’s already starting to, the AI groups of devs basically showed off an alpha to their CEOs, then those CEOs thought it’s game changing…while the devs were like “no it’s an alpha/pre-alpha and is really dumb”…but the CEOs rolled with it and are now finding how bad it is…so it’s been getting slowly dropped. It’s %100 a fad and has limited applications. It’s really cool tech and I have used it, but it’s not something that’s going to replace many people.
This is only true for generative and sumariziation systems that are directly consumer facing. Current AI systems have a myriad of applications for internal tooling and B2b type systems. At my work we’ve built a vast array of tools using all kinds of modern AI that have delighted our clients. Things that previously wouldn’t have been possible for the average small buisness like filling out patient information by voice.
People like to shit on AI because they think of the thing google search uses or ChatGPT but it really is changing the world just not all at once. There will be more consumer facing advencments but more than likely these will come in the forms of things like existing products that get augmented in some way to aid usability (AI tooling is fantastic at facilitating accessibility).
AI is never going away it is here to stay and it is continuing to grow and advance
Agreed. My lead at work wanted us to start trying/using Cursor.so (VS Code fork with AI as a builtin feature) and it’s been pretty transformative. I don’t see a lot of “hey write me a program that does x” but in my (limited) use of this, a simple “why doesn’t this function work” has been pretty amazing.
I have a feeling this is a branding issue more than anything. When you could ask google plain language questions a decade ago and get responses, that seemed amazing. This to me seems like that but more advanced and I just hope they sort out the truthiness and privacy implications. On the one hand, I want the tech to advance, on the other, I would like it to not be such a privacy nightmare.
While that’s technically AI… it’s really just ML dressed up. What the public thinks of AI is AGI…all you have done is describe automation at a higher level, and it’s been around for nearly two decades.
What the CEOs heard was AI…like legit AI(AGI)…what everyone who was developing it said was “here is a cool ML and general purpose automation tool”.
You clearly haven’t been in a meeting with stakeholders. This is not how these conversations go nor is this the expectation
Lol I don’t know what meetings you have been in but there are plenty with shareholders having smoke blown up their ass… it’s why stock goes up and down…over promise under deliver.
It’s %100 a fad and has limited applications. It’s really cool tech and I have used it, but it’s not something that’s going to replace many people.
You are you trying to convince? Lol the more I hear this the more it seems like projection. You say it to comfort yourself because you’re not certain that it will but you want it to be true.
The more it gets integrated into the ecosystems that enterprise corporations use the more it will replace people. Our Data Automation engineers are currently training an in house model on company data so you can ask if for anything from the accounting spreadsheets to when the next holiday is (accounting for ACLs of course, can have accounts receivable getting access to accounts payable.)
If you genuinely think it’s a fad you most likely don’t work in an industry where it has an application or use-case, yet.
I don’t know where you’re getting this information that it’s dying out because that’s just objectively untrue. Microsoft is probably pricing out AI model Saas E5 licensing as we speak, Bing chat just got an upgrade with Enterprise Tenants recently that supposedly safeguards your company data, this shit is not going anywhere no matter what lies you’re telling yourself. It’s not replacing human oversight anytime soon but it absolutely will reduce the amount of humans behind screens at virtually every company in the next decade.
Meanwhile new jobs will open up in AI specific integration as it inevitably becomes too much for Cloud and Data engineers to handle.
“siLlY gOoGle, iTs tHe nEXt cRyPtO” just shows how little you know about it. Probably because you work in a completely unrelated industry and get your information from websites that tell you what you want to hear. Meanwhile your attempt at using AI probably amounts to breaking it’s moral safety locks and then running out of ideas. If you worked in a field that AI is being used for, and know enough to lean on its ability to work through large data sets quickly while doing simple QA work to verify its information (which takes vastly less time than searching through all the data yourself) I guarantee you that you’d find it incredibly useful.
Lol no I literally work in this field. The shit that’s being presented now is a fad. We’ve been doing ML for over a decade now, and all the cool little things you’re talking about are not new. It’s not even brand new within the last 5ish years. You’re acting like this is some brand new industry because chatgpt is the new big thing. It’s not it’s a product of the industry that’s been at this for a long time. All automation removes jobs and it’s cool, but don’t sit there and tell me it’s going to replace jobs that require thought that you cannot build into a DB. If it doesn’t have the parameters to do the job it’s not capable of doing the job.
Also I thought your Google crypto quip is great…
It’s not replacing human oversight anytime soon but it absolutely will reduce the amount of humans behind screens at virtually every company in the next decade.
Lol this is how all automation and any tech works…this shits been happening for centuries… it’s not new.
I mean who doesn’t like a search engine that very convincingly and assertively lies to you? They all come off as very authoritative while also being so very wrong more often than not.
Man I can’t wait to get 100% out of gmail.
Just curious- what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean abandoning/trashing your google account, or do you mean also refusing to send email to gmail recipients?
Personally I’ve gone all the way. Ditching the Google acct was just the 1st step (which implies also ditching Google Playstore). Then I quit sending email to gmail & outlook recipients. Then I went further and do an MX lookup on all email addresses to verify whether a vanity address like bob@lastname.com resolves to google. This has made #email mostly dead to me.
I won’t stop sending to Google recipients. I have moved my email to Proton, but because of lacking search functionality there I have not yet migrated historic emails.
I’ve stopped using other Google services and deleted data except for Maps and YouTube. Maps I can probably get rid of. YouTube I’ll keep but may be able to use a more fake account.
I was stuck with a Google account because I still wanted to view Youtube, but then I found alternatives like Piped and Freetube that let you import your subscriptions. Maybe that’s an option, if you’re interested.
I’m wondering what was the email usage like in the first place if you can just choose to stop sending to most people.
But to be honest, I’ve only sent handful of emails from my personal account within the same number of years.
What makes anyone think google didn’t have the access before anyway?
They did. Its not about that
Now you can throw in a boring pdf, into your drive, and have bard read it and summarize each chapter. For example.
I asked it to read a report i have written for school and summarize it and give mr a few pointers where i could improve it. It was nice and speedy.
Granted the report isnt super long.
Wonder how well it does on a 700 page pdf…
They certaintly did, and already used AI to comb through it for their monitized stalking campaign. I think the only difference now is you can now make use of this somehow too, but I only read the headline lol.
Me, who’s had a Gmail account as my main email for twenty plus years. 😞
Gmail is only 19 years old, but okay.
I’ve had it since it came out, so 19 years then I guess. Cut me some slack.
If you choose to use the Workspace extensions, your content from Gmail, Docs, and Drive is not seen by human reviewers, used by Bard to show you ads, or used to train the Bard model.
Yeah… really comforting, Google. Really comforting.
🤷♂️ you weren’t going to pay for it, gotta pay for compute somehow.
I mean… what else could they offer to make it more comforting?
Idk why you’re being downvoted. You’re completely right
Google is literally evil and everyone who works there wants to kick puppies seems to be the prevailing sentiment here.
Which isn’t true but people really like to pretend the world is black and white instead of infinitely nuanced shades of gray.
These companies just push hard for people to leave them.
openai’s chat gpt, and microsoft’s bing flavor of chat gpt both have android apps. google’s bard does not. that is all…
Switched to outlook but soon found out that some of your emails arent even received. That occured when I was trying to sign up to this lemmy instance. Luckily the admin was a very friendly person who understood the situation and manually approved my signup.
Outlook is just choosing another big tech. Why not something like protonmail or tutanota?
I’m starting to switch over to Proton. I haven’t paid for it yet but my plan is to start paying and potentially grab usernames on other sites so I can have a consistent email across any site I decide to use.
Proton unlimited was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. Very nice vpn service that works even on arch Linux on school wifi (making sure to switch to tcp protocol), e2ee mail that I use to send confidential medical records to drs, included simplelogin premium (currently over 400+ aliases), excellent and knowledgeable customer support, and so much more. I just really love this company and their role in the FOSS, privacy, security space.
I mean, if Bard can access those things, that means Google already had access in the first place. I also don’t mind if that means I get to enjoy a better service overall.
The things I don’t want Google to know about I have separate anyways
narrator: ‘google knows about those things, too.’
Good luck using all my spam I get on my gmail inbox to serve me ads that get blocked instantly.
Edit: openboard autocorrect.
I mean, at this point I find very difficult to believe that people willingly putting their entire life in free Google accounts don’t know that they’re basically ads meat anyway. The outrage makes no sense.
Without going to whole hog and hosting my own infrastructure, what are some good alternatives?
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Mailbox, posteo, zoho, skiff…
proton suite. i’m using it since 2016 and never looked back.
This is absolutely true. Some of us were fine with the trade off in the beginning, because of how useful the services were when linked together. Google didn’t start off with everything linked like it is now. This unification of all their services with no walls or filters has been an ongoing development for more than a decade. I remember having to be on a waiting list to even get a GMail account after getting an invite from someone I knew. I’ve been around using google services since then. Back when Gmail and the calender weren’t separate apps. When YouTube wasn’t linked to Gmail or a Google account the way it is now. The landscape has changed drastically.
Only reason I ever use my gmail is because they are tied to my phone and some of the games on my phone, otherwise I wouldn’t be using them.
I deleted google and only have game accounts email only from simplelogin aliases. Maybe you’ll eventually realize google is a shit company and leave that environment as well.
As much as I don’t like gøøgl€, on the phone front, it’s the lesser of the two evils I can choose from currently. I probably won’t be able to outright buy my next phone before getting service and slap on a custom ROM, so I’d rather deal with the devil I know over appl€.
I use a degoogled google pixel (grapheneos) so there are definitely options out there.
There definitely are options, but I’m just not sure I’ll be able to outright purchase a phone and flash a ROM like grapheneos on it. I feel as though at this point I’ll probably have to end up just upgrading through my carrier and I don’t know if they even allow you to root or flash phones from them without terminating service.
If you get it from carrier and it’s locked, even google pixels, then you cannot flash custom rom on there.
Queue the I’m in danger meme
Cue* ;)
Dang… you’re right.
