All the land in the United States was stolen from indigenous people, Ive heard many arguments as to what should happen to this land from balkanization, giving back power to tribal governments, or just doing what the USSR did and making a USSA. I dont know the answer for what to do with the interior states, I think leftists are more concerned about weakening the power of US imperialism than dealing with the issue of drawing borders for a post-capitalist United States, but Hawaii is special.
There are not many places in the United States where outright secession is a leftist goal, Hawaii is unique in that it was a nation until relatively recently, it was annexed long after the Americans manifest destinied their way across the continent. Hawaii had a central government, it had a monarchy, it engaged in capitalism and industrialization on a far greater level than any Native American tribe did. With tribes in the United States it can be hard to determine how they can have an independent state after so much displacement and cultural genocide, Hawaii is different, they have the greatest capacity of becoming an independent nation out of any colonized territory.
Im simplifying a complex issue by saying Hawaii can be independent if they kick out the military and tourists, thats certainly easier said than done. They could also nationalize all the farms, get rid of the golf courses and highways, and try to begin to fix their already fucked up water supply and invasive species problems. Hawaii could become the Pacific Cuba. The only group that could do such a thing ironically are monarchists, which is strange because we don’t really think of them as leftist but in Hawaii’s case they are. Strange bedfellows, I for one want to see monarchal communism (does North Korea count as that?)
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Hawaii is only 10% native Hawaiian. The rest is Filipino, Japanese, White, and Latino. It would need a serious landback program to undo that.
I think this argument would work better for Puerto Rico.
I for one want to see monarchal communism (does North Korea count as that?)
No, that’s literally just propaganda. The DPRK is a democracy and the Kims lead because they are popular because they’re essentially a family of “heroes” in their nation. You can argue that is less than ideal, but that is an inherent flaw in democracy, that celebrities are inherently powerful.
I do like the idea of a Pacific Cuba. However, I legitimately worry about logistics. If Hawai’i were to succeed, the CIA would be all over that shit.
Also, pardon me for being stupid but what exactly is bad about tourism? Is it that a lot of tourists are inconsiderate, or is tourism itself the issue?
Tourism in Hawaii is largely about commodifying Hawaiian culture for the consumption of affluent white people
and rich asians but they are less bad. the only good Hawaiian tourists are the dead ones.
Hawaii had a central government, it had a monarchy, it engaged in capitalism and industrialization on a far greater level than any Native American tribe did. With tribes in the United States it can be hard to determine how they can have an independent state after so much displacement and cultural genocide, Hawaii is different, they have the greatest capacity of becoming an independent nation out of any colonized territory.
I agree with the goal of Hawaiian independence and just want to add that it’s probably not super helpful to judge whether or not an indigenous group should be entitled to sovereignty based on how much they adhered to the European Westphalian concept of a state prior to colonization.
