It appears the US congress has just proposed (edited) a bill that declares “Antifa” a terrorist organization.
This doesn’t even make sense as Antifa isn’t an organization, but just a shared name for anyone that self-identifies as a person opposed to and willing to fight fascism 🤦♂️
Stay safe out there!
Note: SLRPNK is an EU based service and we are openly Antifa here, and proudly so!
sooo theyre announcing they are officially pro fascism. got it.
“Antifa are the real fascists. We need to end the menace of foreign sponsored radical leftists. The tankies would be worse” is a thing conservatives routinely say to get liberals to follow along with henious state violence
Except calling people “tankies”. I had never even heard the word before joining Lemmy.
It’s been a term liberals have kicked around since the 1950s. I remember Ron Paul types using it to describe Obama voters as far back as 2008. “You’re going to force Christian doctors to do abortions at gunpoint” was a popular talking point.
tankie was coined by libertarian communists not by liberals. stop butchering history
It was coined by British Trots to describe Internationalists who failed to condemn Stalin’s occupation of Eastern Europe. Western liberals adopted the terminology to describe any form of insurgent anti-colonialist movement or its supporters. Eventually, it became a tag-line for American activists and politicians writ-large.
where can I read more about Trotskyists coining it? also, what are the “anti-colonialist” movements you speak of?
It seems to be spreading. Much to my surprise I recently read the term in an opinion piece in a relatively mainstream online news site. But it might have been written by a fellow lemming.
I’ve never met a conservative in real life that would know what the fuck a “tankie” is.
So in America anti-fascists are terrorists and murderous insurrectionists are heroes. Their forefathers must just be spinning in their graves.
Either the voters wanted it, or the sit outs didn’t think it was that big a deal. That’s how they won, basically. Of course they will blame the politicians and the system for giving them bad candidates. I mean, the alternative is to take responsibility for their cluster fuck.
There was also a shit ton of voter suppression and gerrymandering that made taking both houses of congress way easier. It was a lot of things combined.
At the end of the day the Democrats failed to make a compelling argument to enough people to win.
Talking shit about people who wanted them to be different is pretty stupid. I see this all over here and it’s basically just doubling down on some of the attitudes and holier than thou bullshit that is what lost things for us here.
FWIW I voted for them, while also wishing they were different, and being deeply upset with some of their positions. I’m not who you’re attacking, but you aren’t doing anyone any favors with that nonsense.
I don’t really care how people voted. But to blame the system for an obvious choice they should have made is a fucking cop out. Own your choices. You did. I’m talking about all the people who didn’t vote and are now surprised the country is becoming what they said it’d become. There is never an ideal choice. They should grow up and quit whining when the thing they could have stopped but didn’t because it wasn’t ideal happened. It’s like an incel waiting for a perfect mate and whining why no one will give you the time of day.
an obvious choice they should have made
Why have elections at all when you’re going to present people with “obvious” choices?
Biden should have simply cooronated his heir apparent. Seems like the whole election process was the mistake.
They should grow up and quit whining when the thing they could have stopped but didn’t because it wasn’t ideal happened
The deeply depressing part of this delusion is still believing Biden/Haris would have ended the Gaza genocide in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Trump landed a ceasefire day one, because he pushed back on Netanyahu ever so slightly.
Not only was ending the genocide possible, it was incredibly easy. Biden’s team just didn’t want to do it.
the thing people were whining about is a fucking genocide you monster
I’m very sure they’re satisfied now. Aid to Israel and plans to ship the Palestinians out. Well done!
Oh and obligatory fuck off
Ah yes cause the fascist was gonna stop the genocide.
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Whats funny about this is that Biden continued almost all of Trumps most right-wing policies, deported more people than Trump, was ramping up enforcement on immigration, was furthering the teade war nonsense, gave more money to police and military, gave Israel hundreds of billions in genocide aid. don’t forget that Biden and desmocratic Mayors across the US were just as down to criminalize Antifa, to the point of using gang enhancements. Like you people think it’s different one way or the other, like voters were choosing between fascism and something else, when we have always been voting for pepsi or coke oligarachy and thats not a thing that’s changed. In fascism their is one state party, but instead of party our politicians are united by class and it’s always been a class war on the poor and most vulnerable people, because the rich resent that we ever had enough power to resist our own enslavement. Trump just neglects the layers of goverent and immediately implements the oligarchy agenda. The problem isn’t just Trump, watch how many democrats vote in favor of his most atrocious legislation, because there is no part of the oligarchy that is meaningfully opposing Trump. Fascism has changed slightly since the last time. It is now entirely focused on class and Trump is the dictator of his class comrades. The rest of us better get in line as slaves or he will direct his next tantrum at us. There was no voting this shit away though, this shit was coming from Democrats as much as Republicans. We are actually now juat witnessing the same limits on electoral democracy that the weimar republic did aroubd the same time last century.
Ok. Happy now?
I’m reminded of the police violence under Obama - practical on day one of his administration - and how his response was to invite the thug with a badge out for a beer.
The day after he left office, the police brutality that followed was thrown at the feet of Bernie Sanders. But we weren’t supposed to acknowledge a problem white Dems were in office.
Can’t afford to be divisive.
You’re in an anarchist community… Do you consider yourself an anarchist? Because you sound like a liberal
Holy shit you’re dumb. I’ll refrain from the obvious political associations.
Lol
The purpose of targeting an organization that doesn’t exist is that anyone who opposes the state can be labeled antifa, and therefore a terrorist.
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This right here. Tyrants make up laws that are nebulous enough that you can charge whoever you want with them.
Guess I really need to pay attention if we have a “Tread of Fascists” flag hanging up then. Somehow it’s potentially legally worse than a Confederate flag in the US? My poor, Union ancestors and very heavy U.S./Pennsylvanisch Deitsche ancestry.
Rose City Antifa is cited in the text of the bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/26/text
It is, but just as an example of “one chapter” of it. Anyone opposing them can easily be said to be Antifa as well.
It is, but just as an example of “one chapter” of it. Anyone opposing them can easily be said to be Antifa as well.
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I can assure you, we as an organization, have been trying fully understand the context and implications of this since this came up under the first T’ administration. Its a threat but it shouldn’t stop you from considering your next steps and actions, which is exactly what they intend for it to do. The biggest mistake we, the royal we, as a resistance can make is to be caught flatfooted.
Important detail: It isn’t a bill that’s been passed. It’s only been introduced and referred to the judiciary committee. It’ll be bigger news if it gets out of the committee, goes to the floor, and gets passed.
Thanks for the clarification, I edited the post.
Can we get a bill declaring proud boys a terrorists group?
No. Those are very fine people.
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Their leader just got their sentence reduced, I think that sends a pretty clear message
Remember to get your official Antifa membership cards at https://antifa.org/
That is amazing.
The vagueness is the point. Vague laws transfer the power to those who enforce it (ACAB) who get to decide if that law applies in that case.
It’s the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who’s a witch? Keep it vague, and that answer becomes fully arbitrary and dependent on different social factors (such as people trying eliminate others and take their land by using such accusations). It also encourages everyone else to “signal” that they’re not whatever the bad label is… as a precaution. Preemptive antiantifa. This is basic conservative society shit.
We saw the same thing since 2020 with the right-wing turning mask wearing into a signal for “weakness & femininity” and “leftism”, and large numbers of conservatives decided that it was better to get COVID-19 and long COVID. Note that this wasn’t STATE controlled, but it wasn’t organic either, it was more of a private astroturfing phenomenon.
I’m not sure what the solution is, and I doubt that it’s just one single thing, but I’d love to see some ideas.
It’s the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who’s a witch?
The Spanish Inquisition was aimed at heretics (Jews, Protestants and Muslims), not witches.
And the secular arm was far worse when interrogating.
Lookin’ good America.
We should elect more people that do things like this instead of passing legislation to help struggling Americans.
But, oh no, we already told the party with a voting history proving they do that on a regular basis to go fuck themselves and elected people who want to label ANTI-FASCISTS terrorists instead while releasing 1,500 actual terrorists who performed an actual terrorist act back into our society without serving their time.
Clown country.
Clown country
The clown:
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Apparently they are actually written by an intern with the help of ChatGPT 💩
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So antifa has a leader and a headquarters now? Is there a secret handshake? Dang. Nobody tells me anything.
They opened up next to Anonymous.
I need to ask my buddy 4chan to fill me in.
Everyone knows that 4chan is just you, me, and that other guy.
I don’t count. I’m a bot.
Their vans are blue, not yellow.
As the democratically elected CEO of Antifa I’m surprised you didn’t know about the Nazi Puncher Dab-Up
The address was on my W2, I’m not sure what you’re complaining about.
And this is what’ll make eggs cheaper, right?
…right?
Yeap, that surely will be the one…
20th century fascists actually delivered on their economic goals, at least temporarily, to get enough popular support to override rule of law. These 21st century fascists can’t even get that part done before they took the mask off.
Neonazis, ok. Fighting against neonazis, not ok. Got it.
Maybe we just call ourselves “antfash” and if they ask we are just really into dressing up ants?
They don’t care about the letter of the law, only putting people that disagree with them in prison.
When arrested, simply state, “Oh, no. You misunderstood! I’m totally anti-fashion and have absolutely nothing to do with those sorts you’ve clearly mislabeled me to by mistake!”
“Gotta tell you, those shirts are so last reich.”
The problem is they’re going to decide who is and is not antifa. If they say you are, then you are. And if they say antifa are terrorists, then they are. Something like this is the end result in the “war on terror” stuff from the early 2000s. Or, alternately, “anything I don’t like is woke” except they’ll send the cops and/or feds to crack your skull or just straight up kill you.
Hmm. Could you reverse psychology it? “Antifa were the real fascists, so we decided we’re just going to call ourselves fascists.” And what would they do? Write a law declaring fascists to be terrorists?
Jokes.
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This is why you don’t let the nazis organize freely. They will always do what you should have done to them. Even when they had Trump on actual crimes they made sure that he would get the best possible chance to get away with it.
