But why continue to exploit fellow earthlings at that point? If mother’s are left to their own devices, the minimal amount of milk left over from the calf’s rightful share will never be enough to sustain dairy industries. You only get any significant amount of mother’s milk because the calf is either slaughtered immediately or kidnapped and sustained on some soy slurry. Cut out the middle man and drink the soy milk yourself. Chickens were selectively bred into unnatural and painful amounts of egg-laying for our benefit, let them brood in peace, which allows them to stop laying painful periods. Imagine if we forced women to sustain and repeat their periods for full months, quite vile.
Also most fishing and hunting is propped up on subsidaries and breeding programs, literally shooting fish in a barrel. (“most” being an operative word here. Please don’t return with bad faith tired “indigenous peoples” argument)
Even if you accept the premise that so-called ethically raised meat is ethical, there’s just not enough land to farm meat at the scale which people in developed countries demand it, unless it’s factory farmed. Ethically farmed, free range animals require much more space than caged up factory farmed animals, and the grass they feed on requires yet more land.
That means that there’s a limit on the supply, so I’m pretty sure that if someone tries to solve the whole animal rights issue by buying ethical meat, they’ll only push the ethical dilemma on to someone poorer than them (the one who would be priced out, due to the increased demand). That person would then have to be the one to make the decision of whether to go vegan or to buy factory farmed meat.
Admittedly, I could be wrong about this? But I’m pretty sure that increasing land use of meat, whether by regulation or economic demand, would necessarily lead to increased prices, so I don’t see how it possibly wouldn’t just shift the problem on to the less wealthy.
Meat is the problem, though. If you haven’t realized, vegans don’t think killing sentient beings is okay as long as they’re killed on muh uncle’s ethical farm.
You just don’t realize you’re on a vegan comm, I guess? You’ll never get anyone here to agree with your carnist ”actually, we should just kill fewer sentient beings” stance.
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But why continue to exploit fellow earthlings at that point? If mother’s are left to their own devices, the minimal amount of milk left over from the calf’s rightful share will never be enough to sustain dairy industries. You only get any significant amount of mother’s milk because the calf is either slaughtered immediately or kidnapped and sustained on some soy slurry. Cut out the middle man and drink the soy milk yourself. Chickens were selectively bred into unnatural and painful amounts of egg-laying for our benefit, let them brood in peace, which allows them to stop laying painful periods. Imagine if we forced women to sustain and repeat their periods for full months, quite vile.
Also most fishing and hunting is propped up on subsidaries and breeding programs, literally shooting fish in a barrel. (“most” being an operative word here. Please don’t return with bad faith tired “indigenous peoples” argument)
You might be on to something
Even if you accept the premise that so-called ethically raised meat is ethical, there’s just not enough land to farm meat at the scale which people in developed countries demand it, unless it’s factory farmed. Ethically farmed, free range animals require much more space than caged up factory farmed animals, and the grass they feed on requires yet more land.
That means that there’s a limit on the supply, so I’m pretty sure that if someone tries to solve the whole animal rights issue by buying ethical meat, they’ll only push the ethical dilemma on to someone poorer than them (the one who would be priced out, due to the increased demand). That person would then have to be the one to make the decision of whether to go vegan or to buy factory farmed meat.
Admittedly, I could be wrong about this? But I’m pretty sure that increasing land use of meat, whether by regulation or economic demand, would necessarily lead to increased prices, so I don’t see how it possibly wouldn’t just shift the problem on to the less wealthy.
Meat is the problem, though. If you haven’t realized, vegans don’t think killing sentient beings is okay as long as they’re killed on muh uncle’s ethical farm.
but what if you didn’t kill living creatures for your enjoyment?
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You just don’t realize you’re on a vegan comm, I guess? You’ll never get anyone here to agree with your
carnist ”actually, we should just kill fewer sentient beings” stance.
We fixed the B12 thing. Vitamins.
There’s no such thing as a “good” animal farm. There’s no humane way to murder a healthy creature which wants to live.
How dare you say that about my uncle’s cattle ranch where he puts a little birthday hat on all the calves and feeds only the finest quality oats!