Microsoft has paused its latest pop-ups, for now.
  • affiliate@lemmy.world
    893·
    10 months ago

    i’m sure the free market will solve this. we just need to wait for a new company to pop up, make a new operating system, ensure windows programs are properly emulated, convince the majority of people and businesses to use it, and then use its new monopoly for good.

    • 1984@lemmy.today
      573·
      10 months ago

      Free market ideas always sounded like cartoon level intelligence to me. Some kind of a perfect world where everyone acts morally and people are well informed and chooses the right companies etc.

      • affiliate@lemmy.world
        291·
        10 months ago

        its really absurd. it becomes even stupider when considering that many of these assumptions allow mathematical models to be built on top of them, and then those models are treated with such importance and authority. but then they sometimes also get the math wrong. i remember learning a while back that part of the 2009 housing crash was caused by faulty mathematics laid ontop of these weird economic assumptions. the part im talking about is:

        The paper, generally referred to as the Dahlem report, condemns a growing reliance over the past three decades on mathematical models that improperly assume markets and economies are inherently stable, and which disregard influences like differences in the way various economic players make decisions, revise their forecasting methods and are influenced by social factors.

        the first part refers to a kind of “smoothness assumption”, where they approximate the bumpy, jagged graph with a “smooth” curve that is easier to analyze. but it turned out the bumps were there for a reason. oops! the second part of the quote then says that in addition to the faulty smoothness assumption, there were quite a few important things the model flat out ignored

      • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
        121·
        10 months ago

        It doesn’t require people to act morally, it requires them to act according to their long term self interest, assuming they are… immortal. And we all know human beings are omniscient and immortal. So no problem. /s

    • Matcraftou@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 months ago

      Linux with FUTURE WINE is your solution

      future wine is just the future versions of wine, specifically the one that will be perfectly able to run windows programs

    • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
      41·
      10 months ago

      Listen, I want to give the above a shot (It’s an idea I’ve had for a while) but it doesn’t just happen, it’s very very far from easy, and obnoxiously expensive. Might be cheaper and easier to get to the Moon than to tear down M$’ monopoly at this point.

  • johnthedoe@lemmy.ml
    824·
    10 months ago

    MS screwing us with software. Apple screwing us with hardware upgrades. Linux out there taking all survivors

    • gk99@beehaw.org
      164·
      10 months ago

      Linux suffers from being a patchwork of hobbyists updates, corporate additions, and patchy distro support. When it comes down to it, if you have an issue, you either have to solve it on your own or hope and pray the elitists on StackOverflow are in a good mood.

      Honestly, every OS kinda sucks.

      • Nefyedardu@kbin.social
        13·
        10 months ago

        “Patchwork” sounds like a good way to describe Windows as well. Or at least it was when I was a Windows 10 sysadmin and there were two different settings menus to do everything.

          • GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml
            2·
            10 months ago

            Don’t worry, MS is planning to fix that soon I’ve heard. They’re just going to get rid of control panel and continue to dumb down Settings

      • argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
        5·
        10 months ago

        Apple and Microsoft support aren’t exactly awesome, either, unless you’re a big business with deep pockets. At least with Linux, the system is open, so if there is a way to solve my problem, someone has almost certainly found it already and added it to Arch Wiki or Stack Overflow or something.

        • eleitl@lemmy.ml
          1·
          10 months ago

          My first one was a random floppy distribution off an ftp server. I then tried SuSE off a CD-ROM and then went with Red Hat for a while. Then Debian, now Ubuntu. Tried FreeBSD but didn’t stick. Probably Debian again next. I always prefer Debian on the server though.

    • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
      34·
      10 months ago

      That’s the problem

      • they are making harder to change the default browser on windows, and broke workaround by chrome and firefox too.
      • they don’t let you uninstall edge in easy way or without a third party software.
      • if you download another browser from edge they try to persuade you in to giving edge a try.
      • they are planning to set edge as the default browser on teams.
      • they don’t give you an easy way to open with another browser the internet result from the windows search bar, they broke EdgeDeflector many times indeed.

      And nobody is doing something about it!

        • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
          73·
          10 months ago

          You know that’s a fuck up situation when you need to hope that a government union will give a fuck about a tech giant throwing shit at their paying customers

          • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
            11·
            10 months ago

            Well, there’s at least some hope, looking at the whole USB-C situation, the DSA and the DMA.

            So much happens everyday that is more than just technically illegal, law enforcement doesn’t even know where to start.

            One big thing for the GDPR right now is how many EU-US data transfers are violating the law, because they happen without user consent. If we’re being as strict as we should be, EU websites aren’t allowed to use Google Analytics, for example

      • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        113·
        10 months ago

        It’s sad, because Edge is actually a pretty good browser, but all this shit just makes everyone hate it.

        Also, every Google page I visit gives me an annoying “Download Chrome now!” popup, so MS i guess is just using the same strategy Google used.

      • SeducingCamel@lemm.ee
        4·
        10 months ago

        Haven’t installed fresh windows in a few years but I distinctly remember the past few times I installed Windows 10 I had the weirdest issues trying to download Firefox or chrome, like the webpage or download button was broke. I had to get my browser through ninite

  • recycledbits@discuss.tchncs.de
    42·
    10 months ago

    “We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications

    “”“unintended”“”?

    How do you implement shit like this by mistake and push it out to be executed on people’s computers by mistake?

  • derivator@feddit.de
    459·
    10 months ago

    That’s because they’re a malware company:

    this has been going on in several different forms for years now so I’m just counting the days until the next annoying pop-up appears.

    The solution is to not use their products. Use Linux.

    • theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      131·
      10 months ago

      I would use Linux if my primary reasons for using a computer worked properly. Games are a lot better these days than it was and always improving so there is light at the end of the tunnel in that respect but Traktor DJ software not so much.

      As far as I know the only alternative on Linux is mixxx and that was just no where near as good the last time I used it. Maybe it is time to try it again…

      • aleph@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        If you’re hanging onto Windows for just one app, you could try running it in a virtual machine. I do that for a few work-related apps that have no Linux/web versions and it works great.

        You could also dual boot, if VM performance doesn’t quite cut it.

        • theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          10 months ago

          I have tried dual booting in the past but it becomes a pita for me as usually the majority of my time spent on a computer is using those things that only worked within windows so why change back just to say browse the web for example.

          In the past it was games that were a pain to run but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years or so and know that it has gotten a lot better with the advent of steam giving a shit about Linux more so due in no small part I’m sure of the steam deck.

          The problem with virtual machines or WINE or whatever is the current standard for emulating a windows environment is that one application depends heavily on audio latency. It needs to run well and provide as close to zero latency as possible. Like I’ve said in a few other replies, maybe it is time I tried it out again as it has been a few years since I gave switching over a go, I need to have the time to put into getting it up and running and fixing any problems that arise however :D

          • aleph@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            10 months ago

            Gaming these days is generally excellent thanks to Proton. Certain titles do still have issues, but it’s on a case by case basis.

            Audio latency is a good point - I don’t know how that fares under a VM these days. Pipewire has brought many improvements over Pulse, so it’s possible that the situation has also gotten better.

          • derivator@feddit.de
            2·
            10 months ago

            I used WineASIO with Guitar Rig for a long time and it worked well and with acceptably low latency. It can be a hassle to set up though and I don’t know how it plays along with pipewire these days.

        • theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          10 months ago

          I have done this with both traktor and serato and got similar responses from both along the lines of “we will suggest it to our tech dept, thanks”

        • theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          10 months ago

          When I tried it last I had problems fully mapping my controller in a way that it worked as expected as well as effects not being as good and overall functionality and work flow not being as smooth as polished as I’ve been used to using serato and then traktor.

          It has been a while since I tried it though so maybe I should give it another bash and see how it has improved over the years.

          How is the library management? That is one thing traitor fucking sucks at!

          • derivator@feddit.de
            2·
            10 months ago

            There’s a long list of supported controllers. The process for making your own mappings can indeed be a bit cumbersome, but it also seems to be quite powerful in the kind of features it can support, thanks to javascript integration.

            Not sure about the library management, seems to work well enough for me.

    • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      42·
      10 months ago

      Win11 is malware, lol. But anyway, I’ve never come across anything like this for all my years of using Windows Enterprise editions.

    • olympus@kbin.social
      241·
      10 months ago

      Guys, I keep reading this, but it’s not the same thing. At all. You don’t want to get Google’s crap? You don’t visit their crap websites. There are so many websites in this world to visit to avoid Google’s crap. You just don’t type anything with google on it in your address bar. The only way to avoid Microsoft’s crap is to install another operating system in your desktop or laptop. It’s just not the same thing. At all.
      Microsoft should be forced to do what they have forced Google to do in Android. At least where I live, in EU. Ballon tips to have the option to use another browser and an option to disable Edge and all the crap asking all the time to use Edge. Like the android ballon tip and the option we have to at least disable Android Chrome.

    • Polkira@kbin.social
      132·
      10 months ago

      It’s a lot easier to switch internet browsers than it is to switch operating systems.

        • olympus@kbin.social
          4·
          10 months ago

          For you and me maybe. For most people it is. And even if we can do it, if we use specific software that work only on windows we have no option. Windows is a monopoly like Android is for a reason. Because most people for specific reasons can’t avoid them. Microsoft should be forced to do what they have forced Google to do in Android. At least where I live, in EU. Ballon tips to have the option to use another browser and an option to disable Edge and all the crap asking all the time to use Edge. Like the android ballon tip and the option we have to at least disable the crap known as Android Chrome.

    • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
      71·
      10 months ago

      But at least you don’t pay chrome, with windows instead you need to pay a license to use it.

        • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
          71·
          10 months ago

          Using windows without a license is illegal.

          This is like saying you don’t need to have a driving license to drive a car because the car doesn’t complain about it.

          • UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml
            42·
            10 months ago

            Windows licensing doesn’t have enforcement. If there weren’t police plenty of people would drive without a license.

            Edit:

            Checks comments

            User posted in Piracy 30 minutes ago

            😐

            • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
              2·
              10 months ago

              Commenting on c/Piracy doesn’t exclude I pay for software, indeed I payed for 3 windows licenses two with the costs of my 2 laptop and one I payed my self in my custom built pc. (And I’m only counting windows 10 licenses because the count would be much higher if I counted windows xp,vista,7 and 8) and that was my only and one comment on every piracy related community.

              Edit: the same people force you to have a windows license and a driving license, but one get checked more than the other that’s it.

            • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
              1·
              10 months ago

              Illegal or not, most of the people out there never installed their os, because they buy a device with an os preinstalled and indirectly they buy the license for windows.

      • gk99@beehaw.org
        1·
        10 months ago

        Debatable, considering all that’s stopping you from using it for free is a watermark and lack of personalization options.

        Plus, I’m using the Windows 10 Education key my college gave me, and my Windows 7 Home key from way back in the day would work too, as well as the Windows 8 key that came with my Surface Pro 3. The cost feels like a formality tbh.

        • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
          4·
          10 months ago

          It’s illegal to do soo, not that much debatable.

          Yes a formality that you pay every time you buy a pc with windows pleinstalled and it’s an asshole to refund.

          • nestEggParrot@lemmy.sdf.org
            1·
            10 months ago

            While I agree with your general point, how is it illegal? If I download the ISO from windows, install and keep using it without activation? They aren’t blocking me from using it and I haven’t circumvented any prevention they have in place. What’s illegal here?

            • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlOP
              1·
              10 months ago

              If they make it easy for you doesn’t mean it’s legal.

              It’s illegal to use windows without a license. As even stated in the license you agree before installing the os, this one, on section 5 Authorized Software and Activation.

              You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method

  • Doug7070@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    10 months ago

    The fact that Microsoft’s constantly more aggressive use of their OS platform to artificially push their search and cloud platforms hasn’t triggered multiple huge antitrust cases is a pretty dire indicator of how little regulators are willing or able to safeguard the public from monopolistic behavior by large tech companies.

    • smpl@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      If you’re thinking of the EU, it’s probably just the vogonlike bureaucracy, so in about the time that Windows 12 comes out, they’ll be ready. Can’t say it bothers me, if Microsoft is attempting to take marketshare from Google, though.

      • Doug7070@lemmy.world
        1·
        10 months ago

        Getting out of the Google frying pan and into the Microsoft fire is in no way better. Both options are exploitative anti-user monopolies, and both Chrome and Edge are the same browser engine under different corporate skins that aggressively violate your privacy in numerous ways for their own gain.

          • Doug7070@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            10 months ago

            Even if Edge was marginally better than Chrome (it’s not), allowing monopolistic practices simply for the sake of slightly evening out a corporate race to the bottom is not a good standard. The actual solution is a browser like Firefox that actually has some remote respect and business interest in user privacy, and to aggressively litigate both Microsoft and Google for the use of their dominant service platforms to cross-promote their other products to captive audiences.

  • shiveyarbles@beehaw.org
    14·
    10 months ago

    They need to ask the question “will you ever choose to use a Microsoft browser?” and then remember the answer and stop the nagging. For me the answer is no.

  • zik@lemmy.world
    12·
    10 months ago

    When does it stop being “malware-like” and end up being just malware?

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    121·
    10 months ago

    It’s Internet Explorer time all over again.

    Isn’t modern Edge chromium based? I’d understand using Edge back when it was using it’s own technology, as much as I hate Microsoft internet browsers, it allowed for optimisations such as better battery life on laptops. But using chromium based Edge, I don’t understand it at all. Who wants to use Microsoft flavoured chrome? Yuck.

    • neo [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      I think the “upsell” (Lord help me for calling it this) is that it integrates with Office365, or in a corporate environment, AD. So by provisioning it once you have every component interconnected. If you’re used to Edge at home you will not be hesitant to want to use it at work. To say nothing about getting non-corporate home users into Bing and, ideally, Microsoft’s OpenAI-ified Bing.

      It’s all very nasty work.

    • shasta@lemm.ee
      4·
      10 months ago

      They had to switch to chromium because web devs like myself just didn’t take the extra time to make a second set of style definitions to work with their stupid engine. Firefox still has some issues here and there with inconsistent styles but it’s not that bad. Edge used to just be a nightmare for style compatibility. So I would just put up a notice saying edge wasn’t supported and save myself the trouble.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        Internet Explorer is still the best at messing up style definitions and CSS. Never seen anything like it.

        Opera browser is the worst of the chromium based browsers in that regard I find.

  • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    10·
    10 months ago

    Slack successfully made Microsoft stop bundling Teams in Microsoft Office through an anti-competition complaint. I’m surprised Google lets them get away with abusing the Windows product as a platform for promoting a search engine. My best guess for why they don’t is that the promotion isn’t working.

  • panCatE@lemm.ee
    9·
    10 months ago

    I need to move my system to linux , however there is data on my system i need to backup, any way I can do that ?.