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    Good take but Midwestern Marx has fallen off very fucking hard and is kind of a dipshit these days (there’s more very recently about him asking the left to ally with those that they disagree with on social causes because economic causes are all that really matter, I haven’t been able to source it right now tho so if someone finds it can they reply)

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      Sorry not getting into the leftist infighting of the US. Regarding aligning with others who are not commies… Bro you don’t have a proper commie party… Or a full grown organization anywhere. Situation there is worse than 60s when people came out on streets to oppose the war on Vietnam. Will Russian nukes care for who is a Marxist who isn’t? Here CPI had meeting with fascist Sena to oust BJP from regional politics. Politics is not about morality, it’s about playing the hard politics and kicking out your enemies one by one. It’s same Putin being an anti commie is aligning with China, Cuba and Venezuela and vice versa.

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        Eddie is a pat soc, stay in your lane and let us Americans tell you who the dipshits are then if you don’t want to get into “leftist infighting”, if you’re not going to investigate something then you shouldnt comment on it, or are you a liberal or something?

        Here’s a choice quote from eddie himself so you can see what I mean

        American’s should also take pride in both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. The revolutionary war was a fight against colonialism, which helped America move beyond the feudal mode of production into capitalism. When celebrating this event on the 4th of July, many leftists will mock those who celebrate the freedom which this day stands for. It is easy to understand the sentiment, given that in modern day the US war machine has become the oppressor of many other nations. However, the Revolutionary War should be celebrated, and on the 4th of July we should be encouraging the country to hold up to the lofty ideals which it was founded on. We should bring people together around the common cause of making our country truly great, rather than endlessly shaming and alienating those who choose to celebrate the day our country gained freedom from the British.

        This is some of the worst drivel I’ve ever seen written in my life. This isnt their only bad patsoc article, this is just the one that stuck in my head because of how fucking gross it is to call the establishment of the most successful genocidal settler-colonial state in the world as a “fight against colonialism”

        Edit: forgot to put the source for above https://www.midwesternmarx.com/articles/on-american-patriotism-by-edward-liger-smith

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          Lol the revolutionary war was about economic independence for the land owning minority within the colonies. They forced the lower class to fight the war for them and then charged them for the service. They ended up in debters prison after the war. That’s what the Shays’ Rebellion was all about! How on earth could anyone interpret it any other way, especially when you consider the ultimate result of that war, which was the total and completely colonization from east to west and an ethnic genocide of indigenous peoples.

          The ruling class was not interested in democracy for the masses, it was not anti colonial or anti imperial, it only sought democracy for a narrow band of people, specifically the land owning anglos and continued their colonial agenda to expand their wealth and power:

          All communities divide themselves into the few and the many. The first are rich and well born; the other, the mass of the people. The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true in fact. The people are turbulent and changing; they seldom judge or determine right. Give therefore to the first class a distinct, permanent share in the government. They will check the unsteadiness of the second; and as they cannot receive any advantage by change, they will therefore maintain good government.

          ~ Alexander Hamilton

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            How on earth could you interpret it any other way

            Because Eddie is a pat soc with reactionary brainworms that he’s not even trying to pretend to destroy, that simple

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    I think conflict over this comes from erroneously extrapolating the idea of “We need to ensure that the changing geopolitical climate furthers the socialist project” to “These countries are not socialist so therefore these changes are irrelevant to building socialism”

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      Ah, that’s a good point. I’ve met far too many Marxists who seem to only care if something directly builds socialism in a nation, not just improving material conditions under capitalism. Maybe this is a hot take, I don’t know, but I don’t really care what system people live under as long as their lives improve. I am a socialist because any improvements under capitalism are always temporary and minor and socialism is the only way to ensure people’s lives improve permanently.

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        For sure, I definitely agree about just wanting a system that works. I am a socialist because it is the only path forward to actually improve society and we know this through applying Marxism, and frankly if that isn’t the perspective you are coming from that will inevitably lead to dogmatism.

        I have heard heard critiques from anarchists and Maoists along the lines of “you can’t support something just because ‘it works’, it has to build socialism/erase hierarchies etc.” which is both such a wild thing to say but also I agree with the kernel of truth in there. Like, yes just because something works for over the short term does not mean it will work long term and socialism is necessary to guarantee the reproduction of an equitable, just society. However, it is incredible to be so dismissive of projects that demonstrably improve the lives of hundreds of millions of people when we already know building socialism is going to be a long and difficult process filled with errors anyway. So we should dismiss successes in improving peoples lives because its not the “right way”? There is an incredible burden of proof IMO to say that such projects are ultimately harmful and frankly I have never seen even close to sufficient evidence presented to support these claims.

        It’s also incredibly revealing of the class character within global capitalism of the people who espouse these critiques. You are letting us all know that you are in a position where you are safe enough to wait for the “proper” socialist project to come along, but do you think colonized/imperialized peoples in West Africa or Pakistan have that luxury?

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          Yeah, that critique really comes across as naive when people have said similar things to me. Maoists in particular seem to be convinced that if they just proselytized enough, everyone in a nation would become diehard Marxists, but they don’t seem to realise that the masses align with Marxism not out of some noble sense of honour or duty, but just because it aligns with their material interests. This isn’t to disparage people or to accuse them of being bad people or anything, just that most people would want to make sure their families and friends are safe and leading good lives, and won’t sacrifice everything for some ideological cause, no matter how much a Maoist group tries to convince them that they need to go and hide out in a compound in the woods to wage PPW.

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            Exactly, viewing it any other way feels like boutique ideology. We should be Marxist out of necessity not identity.

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    more like Vijay PraCHAD.

    seriously now, it hurts me every time when i someone on the left shits on BRICS in defense of this idealistic liberal democracy that never existed

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    BRICS+ is a consequence of the general secular trend away from US-led Western unipolarity, particularly financial dominance; ultimately, into socialism. I view opponents of this trend as people in row boats sailing directly into a world-consuming tsunami in a futile attempt to stop it.