• Dragon "Rider"(drag)@lemmy.nz
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    30 minutes ago

    Israel has a right to defend itself. On that, drag and Kamala Harris are agreed.

    Nothing Israel has done since October 7 has done anything to defend itself, and quite a lot of it has destabilised the region and threatened Israel. On that, drag hopes Kamala Harris agrees. Drag wishes Harris had made that point clear.

    While the people of Israel should exist, the political institution of Israel should not. Drag doesn’t think Harris agrees, but she could have been a stepping stone to somebody who does.

  • penquin@lemm.ee
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    6 hours ago

    Lmfao. How detached from reality do you have to be to say this shit.

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      4 hours ago

      It’s not detached from reality, it’s propaganda. It’s a twisting of reality to benefit a particular agenda.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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      No more detached from reality than the stuff I see on Lemmy every day… it’s just from the other direction, so it seems comical in its wrongness because it’s a type of nonsense that you haven’t been conditioned to. You weren’t the target audience for that message so you didn’t get it. A lot of people did, though.

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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    7 hours ago

    Spoken like someone who hasn’t figured out that it was all a ruse from the beginning.

    “Biden has BETRAYED Israel, he paused weapons, he pushed for a cease-fire. He yelled at Netanyahu and threatened some sort of mild theoretical consequences if he just rolled over Gaza with a line of bulldozers and killed 90% instead of 10%. We need him out NOW.”

    “Biden has BETRAYED the people of Gaza by failing to prevent Netanyahu from the war Netanyahu unilaterally started, sending weapons shipments like every other US President has always done, also don’t pay any attention to the substantial differences between Harris and Biden on this issue, just focus on the fact the we need him out NOW I mean her.”

    “Biden has BETRAYED the people of middle America by letting millions of immigrants in, shutting down Trump’s most horrible policies, migrant crime, look at this person whose daughter died. We need him out NOW.”

    “Biden has BETRAYED immigrants by failing to completely undo decades of racism in immigration, only shutting down the most heinous 30% of Trump’s policies even with the Republicans fighting tooth and nail to stop him shutting down that 30%. It’s all his fault, also he made it worse in some vague emotionally-loaded ways. We need him out NOW.”

    And the centrists bought it, and the leftists bought it too, and they never even compared notes to realize they were getting the exact opposite messaging and a good part of all sides of the messaging was made-up emotionally loaded lies tailored to what would make an impact. Most of the stuff about Biden just got reused against Kamala Harris unchanged, and it was so well-worn by that point that it still worked.

    And they never paid all that much attention to what they were getting in, when they got him out now I mean her.

    And now, we’ve got it in instead, and god help us.

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      Biden wanting to stop supporting Israel is complete crap. Protesters didn’t invent their outrage out of nothing. Here’s evidence for people who want facts. No one knows what he could have done - he never seriously tried. He could have invoked the Leahy Law for starters, but “The State Department has never delivered a list of ineligible Israeli units to the government of Israel. Not once.” All his “warnings” and “concerns” were just words:

      • “Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza” “Approval has dropped from 50% to 36% since November” “All three major party groups in the U.S. have become less supportive of Israel’s actions in Gaza than they were in November. This includes declines of 18 percentage points in approval among both Democrats and independents and a seven-point decline among Republicans.”

      As for Kamala being so much different:

      • “Time is running out for Kamala Harris to break with Biden on the Gaza catastrophe” “Kamala Harris was asked how her presidency would differ from Joe Biden’s. “There is not a thing that comes to mind,” she said.” “Harris also made positive rhetorical gestures towards the plight of Palestinians, saying kind words in her convention speech about the injustice of their suffering and their right to self-determination. But for the most part, that’s all these moves were – words. Now, Harris has mostly stopped saying them.”

      • “Here’s Why Two Protesters Interrupted Kamala Harris—in Their Own Words” “The vice president was both stern and direct in her response. “If you want Donald Trump to win, say that,” Harris commanded from the stage. “Otherwise, I’m speaking.” Her supporters at the rally roared in applause, drowning out both Hamamy and Hakim, who were escorted out of the rally. Following the Hamamy and Hakim protest, Phil Gordon, an adviser to Vice President Harris posted on social media that her position has been clear. “She will always ensure Israel is able to defend itself against Iran and Iran-backed terrorist groups. She does not support an arms embargo on Israel,” Gordon wrote.”
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      6 hours ago

      look at this person whose daughter died. We need him out NOW.”

      I needed that laugh, thank you.

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      I got two of those Kamala is 100 percent behind Israel texts in the days leading up to Election Day. Told them to fuck off and reported as junk

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      Am I the only one who believes we shouldn’t pin foreign policy as a deciding factor on who to elect for president? Hear me out first…

      That is not to say that how the US responds to Israel and Gaza is not important. Genocide is never the answer. What I’m suggesting instead is that a president should be elected primarily on domestic policies, not foreign ones.

      Ok, thanks for reading — commence downvoting. 😊

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        Except a presidents job is foreign policy. For domestic policy senate and house has far more control.

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        Foreign policy is important for too as it also affects US domestically.

        Having said that, US president can do very little to stop the conflict if fascist like Netanyahu doesn’t want to cooperate.

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        Am I the only one who believes we shouldn’t pin foreign policy

        We don’t have access to the same information they do, so we can’t easily judge their decision. The POTUS gets to have conversations with world leaders. These conversations convey attitudes, view points, and information we don’t have. They have the CIA, am ambassadors that are experts in the respective culture and country, and DIA that they get information from.

        For all we know, Israel was going to nuke Gaza and Biden talked them down. Also, I can all but guarantee Hamas would be doing worse if the roles were reversed:

        https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words

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          Some extraordinary mental gymnastics to justify genocide. maybe theres something we dont know that justifies it, so its justified

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    That screenshot is the TV equivalent of a website with five different popups and a chat bot that moves as you scroll.

    What a mess.

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      Honestly… except for the lack of unintelligible ads, you could have told me that was a screencap from an average news website and I would believe it.

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        Apparently this is what it takes to hold people’s attention these days. They don’t know what to do without a flashy thing telling them how to feel.

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    I’d love to address the comment at the top but I can’t really be sure what the elementary dropout was trying to say. Is the true message in the woefully misplaced commas? Was it the kidgin abbrevs? Is it a schooling issue or just low effort?

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      It’s low effort by yet another influencer. Some of them don’t even comb their hair before getting in front of a camera.

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      4 hours ago

      They are saying:“The idea that the Harris campaign didn’t pledge enough support to Israel as a justification for her loss is equally as insane as a typical qanon conspiracy theory”